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Quote:You disagree in the first sentence, yet you agree and admit there are in fact legitimate complaints in the second sentence. That is in fact what I said there are in fact legitimate complaints period.I disagree. There are few legitimate complaints here. Lots of complaints, but very little legitimacy.
Paragon Studios created this item. They have the right to produce or not produce, share or not share, sell or not sell at their discretion and on their own schedule. They did not break promises or obligate themselves in any way to any party.
Debate baiting? Yes, there are troll posts. You may even consider this to be one, but if you're going to vent your angst on a public forum, expect people that think differently to speak back. If you don't want public discourse, send the devs an email.
Yes debate baiting as you also admit that there are people here creating troll posts as you put it. Well mate that is in fact what I said as well so you agree check.
I think you adding in the other stuff is the only issue because the stuff you agreed with is all I am talking about the other stuff is all you. -
Quote:It has nothing to do with the anticipation of the past seven years for either staff or the rocket pack people. It has to do with the actual readiness of the staff set in January during level bumps to 50 for the purposes of testing the set and the New Dark Astoria end game incarnate content. That is not the same.We've known about the existence of the Retro Sci-Fi pack for months as well. It doesn't make the anticipation of my getting something I've waited 7 years for any more or less valid than your anticipation about waiting for something you've wanted for years. *shrugs*
Somehow I think we'll both survive the wait regardless of the details...
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Quote:And they also pushed it live having acknowledged SERIOUS problems with it. Since then we have also had the pleasure of the pet AI being broken.At least with the retro pack, they have the excuse that's it's still in development. Staff Fighting has been finished for months. Beast Mastery came and went in less time that Staff Fighting has been on test, mainly because of the devs massive woody over all things with 4 legs.
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Quote:Those are two completely not equal situations since Staff has been on BETA for months. They level bumped people to 50 to test end game builds vs the New Dark Astoria incarnate level end game content in January. This is before BM was put back on the server in a condition ready for BETA testing.I made a character roughly 7 years ago which has been waiting ever since then to get a dual-rocket costume item like the one that's coming in the Retro Sci-Fi costume pack. The core concept of that character was essentially based on a rocket pack like that (which of course I had no idea I'd have to wait 7 years to get at the time
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So does it irk the b-jesus out of me me every week we don't get the Retro Sci-Fi costume pack on the Market? Of course it does. But honestly since I've already been waiting 7 years for it I can stand to wait a few more weeks. I tend to think the people who've been waiting for Staff Fighting will be able to survive another week or two as well.
They then released BM before Staff and before it was ready with problems acknowledged by a red letter AND it broke the pet AI for all the pets in the game. In terms of Staff they either say nothing or tease and tease and tease Soon ....Very Soon ....Very Very Soon . That is NOT what should be done with a set they know is highly anticipated above all others released in the interim, and was end game testing in January with end game builds. That is whack.
So, it is not the wait alone people are upset about is a bunch of legitimate complaints that have added up to the point where Z had to make this thread to address directly.
Nobody needs to quit, nobody needs to call for heads or jobs, but all that are fed up and have legitimate complaints should be able to speak up free of debate baiting with unequal comparisons. -
"Maybe this picture of the Blue dude will get their attention off of our failsauce regarding dealing with staff fighting on the BETA server since December 2011"
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Quote:They were giving level bumps and testing end game Staff builds in the New Dark Astoria months ago. They have teased and teased and teased and teased some more today since then with no real concrete communication in a forthright manner regarding it's release including today with the ANNOYING AS HECK Very Soon.Waiting sucks; I get it. I've got two names already reserved for my Staff guys; they've been that way since January. I'd like to play it sooner than later, but it will eventually get here.
ALL of this angst is soooo darn easy to avoid with forthright clear regular communication. We are not children and the it's X-mas eve hints at what is in the box approach to some things being released is extremely nauseating to many many here. -
Quote:Thanks for the post, but it seems like it is just more teasing with no date and the Very Soon deal yet again.Again, we're extremely flattered and grateful for the excitement being shown about Staff Fighting. Take comfort in the fact that your stick waving itch should be scratched Very Soon.
You guys have been on a money/paragon point grab ever since it was revealed that you must do new stuff every Tuesday on the market. Most of us are cool with that it's a business and we want you to make the money etc...
I think it is kind of not cool the way you guys still will not give a date for the release of something that has been on the BETA server since December 2011 and just tease and tease and tease more. That's just straight up booty.
Most people would even understand a delay from the originally announced release date if needed, it happens in the industry and has since the 80's when I first started playing these games. You guys have even done it so I don't know why you are playing the tease game with this set unlike others and that is what is making most that are angry that way. -
Quote:You see I think this is where Paragon could make some serious steps to improve things and the growing disconnect with the players.As far as Staff Fighting not being released, I'm of the opinion that they're putting together a Weapon Pack for it like they did with Titan Weapons, and will put it in the store once that's been finished.
I don't think most players get upset about delays or schedules etc.... they only really get upset when they are not given timely information and in place of that is silence and teasing.
This goes from zero anger and total understanding with information and communication to 100 anger and calls for more communication in an instant. All of this could be avoided with clear regular communication.
The set is coming out April 10th. On April 7th you find a bug that will delay the sets release. All that is needed is to communicate this to us and it is understood by most. Other companies do it and this company can do it as well because they have in the past many many times. Why they are teasing and not clearly communicating about staff is a mystery, but it is also a huge bottle of failsauce. -
Quote:Nah, they are going to give Clowns the Beast Mastery release with issues treatment.Out of all of the April Fool's items, the Liger was the least interesting of them all.
Screw the Liger, would rather have Clown Summoning be a real powerset.
I'll make you a deal. I'll buy the Liger pet at the same time I buy the Clown Summoning powerset (after the set is exhaustively tested on Beta to be as bug free as possible)... deal?
Ashes to ashes,
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Quote:It is kind of staggering the level of fail involved specifically pertaining to Staff Fighting and the lack of straight forward communication evidenced early on BETA when we were openly discussing the sounds with the devs directly.Great have to be kidding me.
No staff fighting, thats a downer.
Can you tell me when staff fighting is coming out then?, is it this week next week next month.
Cause this is lame, guess i will go play something else untill it releases.
Mind you keeping players drooling about a MUCH wanted powerset this long can have negative effects.
Once it do release in 3 weeks or longer i might not even be intrested anymore.
Release it this or next week please, or let it be known when we can expect it.
Dont leave ppl who want it that bad and waiting so long, in the dark.
Greets
Now they are in hiding but only specifically to this set. I mean Z is here almost daily dropping hints about Liger's and such and not bothering to answer one question about staff except for yesterday telling us it is not coming today...failing once again to tell us "when" it is coming, like they have since before I22.
That is some serious failsauce there. A simple outline like they did last month would be nice to have, but not needed as the real question is just when? WOW..... -
Quote:Good question.We already know that there's a bundle of "loyalty stuff" coming out on the 18th, that's your anniversary release right there. Staff will probably come out later this month as well, but that's more of a coincidence than anything.
Ha, damn it! I cancelled and re-subbed to change billing information between December first and March thirty first. I wonder if that screws me out of the bundle or if the important factor was that I didn't let my subscription lapse? -
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Don't fall for the bait people. These guys are running thread to thread trying to bait people not happy into an argument. DON'T fall for it.
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Quote:Anyone can come in here and make whatever comment they want too no doubt. My posts have been a general appeal to the players not to turn on each other for once.I don't care one whit whether anyone wants to express dissatisfaction about the latest thing to hit the store. Go nuts. I do care when people completely fly off the handle and start accusing the devs of malice, or subterfuge, or whatever else. Bonus points if they do it in a particularly disrespectful way. Why? Because the devs are people, they obviously do not have remotely sinister intentions, and it's just childish and unseemly. That may not be true of this thread as much as some of the other ones but you'll forgive me for generalizing slightly.
Like I said no need to call for heads(you can if you want), no need to argument bait(you can if you want), I just asked people to please respect each other and allow the feedback to flow without personal arguments taking over feedback is all.
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There are a few people in this thread this morning that are purposefully baiting for an argument. Don't give them the satisfaction, ignore them(just don't respond) and go ahead and leave your feedback for Paragon. Support each other and don't fall into their trap of debate it is not worth it.
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As long as people are not threatening to burn down PS office or something, others need to step back and allow people to provide feedback that PS can take or leave.
It is not cool to try to muffle your fellow players feedback, not cool at all. Step away if you are happy and allow the voices of those that are not be heard instead.
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Quote:It has been more than a week so that is not accurate at all.it hasn't been but a week or so since the last Powerset was released. Expect Staff Fighting to drop on the 17th or 24th of this month.
What is wrong with Z saying staff fighting is going to be released on xyz date this month. I mean really the set has been ready for at least two of the four months it has been in BETA. It was more highly desired and requested over BM and they told us when that was coming, so why not staff.
Like it or not they appear to be playing around and treating this set differently than others mainly by refusing to provide any concrete information and people are pissed about it.
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Quote:I was thinking the exact same thing lol.People who don't think it could possibly be spite, must not have worked in an office or factory enviroment, in those there will be people that you will absoloutly ******* hate, but you can't do anything about while you're both working there.
Afterwards though? -
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Quote:Ditto.What I can say for sure is that I really like Synapse and the work he does. I like him far better than anyone who has come before him. Oddly, I trust him to do what is right for the melee ATs. I do feel that if he sees a problem with scrappers in the future that he will work towards fixing it.