Darth_Khasei

You bet. Well stated.

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Yeppers pretty much this.

Yeah, she flips sides on you now for some strange reason. Basically its a useless power now.

Good point.

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WHOAH! This is a surprise. I actually "don't" think they should add those things for AE.

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Why not? The limitations I listed do nothing to deter power-farming.

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Hehe, I must have made a "certain" impression with my posts I see.

No mate don't get me wrong its not because there is anything wrong AT ALL, as a matter of fact I should just say "I" don't see it as needed, but I would NOT advocate against it. Nothing wrong with the idea at all. Sorry for my poor posting skills.

Ok forget your idea, its BAD.

But since you are on freedom I find it hard to understand the whine about finding teams. Do you have like minded friends? Are you on "any" of the chat channels. Let's deal with the real issue and quit the MA witch hunt crapola that dead horse needs a break at this point.

No custom groups should NOT be limited to having all of those types you think are needed "to stop farming". Absurd is the contention that your "solution" would stop farming/have a negative effect on farming.

All your "solution" does is force more restrictions on the authors and increase an already bloated file size.

/not signed

You obviously have not been following this issue closely since this idea lacks sound rationale.

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I have not seen anyone use the term "any kind of story", I have used "a story" and there is a difference even if small.

Quick example of "any kind of story" that would most likely be banned:
Lewt City: Run the map get and many tickets as possible, click glowies etc. HAVE FUN.
BANNED.

Quick example of "a story" that would most likely NOT be banned:
Lewt City: Mynx is being held somewhere in this ruined city. You and your team of heroes have been called to rescue her asap. More story more story etc.....
NOT BANNED.

Same map, same objectives different story. Not rocket science here.

[/ QUOTE ] Ahh but mine had a HUGE storyline, COMPLETE dialogue, ambushes, everything............... NO FOUL language, no reference to creed, gender, race, and still banned. But all bosses....... so why banned...... because some idiot decided it was a farm. So not necessarily rocket science. NOW the burden is on me to prove its not. Thats crap.

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I agree. It is a shame. They already know from SA votes and ratings griefs, people grief others just because. Then there is a group of self rightous people that "think" they are doing something good by reporting this "farm", when it is not a farm at all.

The one thing that burns me more than ANYTHING in this game is the areas where the devs "allow" players to grief other players. Disgusting.

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My biggest problem with the MA is that Peregrine and Grandville are now ghost towns. I can't find anyone to team with to do lvl 50 stuff except AE farmers. I don't mind soloing at lower levels, but at 50 I do mostly Trials and SF/TF, which takes more people. Guess it just shows that the majority of players are perfectly happy farming away rather than playing the game.

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See fishy because your first post here (above)is about being a 50 and how "you" are having trouble finding teams in the high level zones and for SF/TF. That sounds like a very individual personal problem.

At 50 what were "you" doing in Atlas for anytime long enough that the spam "bothered" you soooo much?

What is really going on here mate? Are you mad because you can no longer charge lowbies in PI and Granvillie 1-15 million inf per run? No it could never be anything like that could it.

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Gotta throw my vote in for DM/Nin. Pretty amazing is what I would call it.

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Gotta throw in an opposite vote. But I think this is largely personal preference because I find DM to be pretty boring. Yes a good combo, good damage, and all that but I actually deleted my DM/Nin. Whereas I have kept and ran a Claws/Nin to 50 and doing the same with an Elec/Nin.

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Throwing an "opposite" vote would mean that DM is weak PvE. Anyone that actually knows what they are talking about would not throw an "opposite" vote regarding the "power" of DM.

The question was very specific and your response regarding the power of DM lacks sound rationale.

Well sking is one of the better features in the entire COX world. I highly doubt it going anywhere and certainly does not need to based of the absurd contentions being brought forth.

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If you ignore Broadcast channel in mercy you will have a pretty hard time finding a sewer team....all the other "spam" you speak belongs in Atlas and is just fine. Lvl 54 boss farm spam does not belong in a lvl 1-10 zone. Period.

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There is something fishy about your posts on this issue. Number one, Mercy is NOT a big hub for AE activity like Atlas, its "CAP". Number two there are no "sewer" teams in Mercy on Vils there are "bank" teams and no I don't buy that you just mixed things up. You sound like you are just parroting and the wrong stuff at that.

The last statement you made reminds me of a post about Costume Contest spam and how it didn't belong in Atlas and needed to be moved to Pocket D. You need to get over this because spam is spam wherever it is and since you are not spamming you don't get to decided where or what that is.

That's right mate you need to get over this.

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What's the difference in getting a reward at the end of the mission vs on the fly like now?

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I've been stewing on this one quite a bit for a while now. Having gone back and forth between AE and regular PvE several times on several characters, my personal experience is that PvE is *significantly* more rewarding for solo play.

There are 3 main reasons, all of which ironically affect people people playing through missions to the end more than people farming or PLing:

1) No patrol XP in AE. This is a big one, and IMHO should be a priority fix. The fact is that anyone using the AE to power-farm is going to blow through their patrol XP in no time flat, so this really only affects the "regular" players.

2) No mission XP bonuses. In theory, mission bonuses cover travel time between missions, and since there is no travel time in AE, this should be a wash. But not so fast: much of the "travel time" is actually load time, which the AE has just like regular PvE. Actual cross-zone distancing is significant but not as dominant as you might think. In addition, the mission XP bonus is larger than travel time accounts for - this is why newspaper missions were (and still are, sometimes) such a popular choice for high-XP-rate teaming for so long. Again, though, power-farmers aren't loading maps very often anyway, so this change really disproportionately affects people running short missions in quick succession.

3) No story arc bonuses. This one's obvious - PvE gets it, it's inconsistent in magnitude but adds up over time, story-playing AE players get nada and power-farmers never cared anyway.

IMHO, all three of these should be changed.

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WHOAH! This is a surprise. I actually "don't" think they should add those things for AE.

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The thought process is that Rezzers or Summoner mobs will not be exploitable anymore because you do not get NPC rewards based on anything rezzed or spawned. Also, since you'd get the reward based on mission-completion rather than simply farming the NPC's in a mission to collect rewards, people would actually HAVE TO COMPLETE missions... and actually having to complete a mission also better promotes, at least in my opinion, the immersion the player is supposed to fill while playing the mission.

I think it may promote Story-farming vs NPC farming... you know?

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Well, IDK mate that does not seem to be very well thought out. Certainly not to the degree that your Q-Powerset for Khelds was.

You get xp/inf for killing self rezzed freaks and others that are rezzed by NPC's, that would have to continue to be the case. I think a very easy solution to the rez exploit is a longer timer on the NPC that rez others as suggested by someone else. Simple is better for this issue, IMHO.

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Atlas has always been the hot spot for lowbies and 50s alike. Great place for costume contests and sewer runs, or just to hang out under the Atlas statue and BS with folks. Now it is a constant barrage of spamming AE Farms and broadcast is useless. You can't even get a sewer team going. It is disgusting and ridiculous. The worst part is all the farmers are standing around in the same [censored] building but refuse to use the Local channel. Idiots.

I really wish they'd just remove the AE building from Atlas and put one in Peregrine so things could go back to normal. They say they are against farming, but they turn Atlas into the farming capitol of CoH?

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Well, I15 will have an AE channel, but I am afraid the attempt at broadcast spam sympathy is tired old and played out. The complaint dejour prior to AE was all the useless CC spam, sewer team spam, give a lowbie some money spam, hollows run spam, RP ppl spam etc... spam in Broadcast.

This is nothing new. You can filter it out and if you choose not to do that or ignore it, then there will NEVER be a remedy to your problem.

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These kinds of passive aggressive slight of hand "attack PL" threads are getting old.

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There, fixed!

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You might mean PL'ers I meant what I said.

What's the difference in getting a reward at the end of the mission vs on the fly like now? If its the same reward I don't understand the thought process going into the change?

Keeping in mind the PvE vs MA reward equality the devs intend to keep.

I love all the activity in Atlas.

The place has a true City Of Heroes feel to it now. Steel Canyon and most recently Talos have had their time to shine, for now its Atlas and Cap. When Going Rogue comes out it will be somewhere else. Nothing new here at all.

Yeah, but those people are outliers and don't rerpesent the entire spectrum of people that may farm up a toon.

Mindlessly 1-50 is mindlessly 1-50 reagrdless of how they got there. The singular type of individual you are talking about is the one outlier you run into here and there on a hastily put together poorly run/lead PUG team. Not a big deal.

Gotta throw my vote in for DM/Nin. Pretty amazing is what I would call it.

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It is pretty expensive to soft-cap them

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Not really.

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Yeah gimmie some of your dough then mate.

Which is interesting because every single invite I have gotten from an AE team says its an AE team. Most go far enough to say AE team "story arcs not farming" or AE team "farm".

Yeppers great combo indeed.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever..none.