Dark_Friar

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well just in the 10 months ive been here purples have more than tripled in cost.. and thats just what the markets done in that short time... judging on your reged date on these forums, im assuming youre at athe very least a 48 month vet.. i can only imagine what the prices were back in the day..

Im sure a single purple io didnt run you as much as 70 mil back then.. I just finished cherrys build, the last 3 pieces cost me a lil over 220 million.

when you break it all down, thats really what the issue is. If you didnt "farm" you could save up all your $ till you ding 50 and i bet youd not be able to buy even 2 full sets of purps.

sucks, i know.. but... its the reality of coh.

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Better said than I did, Cherry. Thanks.

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I have 5 toons purpled to some extent. I haven't farmed for any of that influence.

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And you never stopped playing. How about those who'd like to compete who either, A. just started, or B. left for a period of time.

Things should just be compared objectively. I don't think you'd need to 'farm' for it. Long term vets have different situations than new people or those returning.

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Everyone knows how I feel 'bout this, so I don't care to repeat it.

In regards to the purps, I got 99% o' mine street-sweepin' solo. The rest were random drops on occasional ITF/STFs.

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Really? I don't.

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wow, i was really hoping this topic wouldnt come into this server and stay in the 50 thousand other threads there are on this topic.
(wasnt directing this at you cat, i just hit reply after your post.. sorry)
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So then I assume you're upset with me? Why? It seems like things are being cleared up on what we few forum goer's believe is appropriate and not. I don't see a lot of "OMGNEWBUFARMINGFOOL!" going on, or "IFUHATEMECUZIFARMUSUXORS!"

I see some a little bit of heat, but nothing crazy.

I'd think considering what's being said you'd appreciate the constructive discussion. But then you're entitled to your own opinion and posting it, even if it's not helping anything.

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I love farming....whether it be PLing an alt, or farming for merits, tickets, influence, or purple/PVP IOs.

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If you consider it, how else can one get PVP/Purple IO's? They are insanely expensive as it is, so either you have to farm for the influence to get it, or farm for the drops themselves.

In fact many people are min/maxers and want to Purple out their Toon. Or even IO out their toons. Either way I don't believe through normal play by the time you have hit 50 you'd have accumulated enough Inf (through play, selling drops, etc) to purple out a toon entirely.

I've only been back for a little while though so perhaps there are tricks I don't know for getting a lot of influence relatively fast. But that seems to me like it'd be 'farming' for something.

More on this later, I must leave work!

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...not playing the game the right way....

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Saying that someone is or is not playing "the right way" is a bit of a pet peeve of mine and why I tend to stand up for the perceived underdog in debates like this. Part of the fun of an MMO is that there's no "one true way" to play.

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I thought this was particularly interesting because so many people used to yell and scream about how blasters HAD to be long range, and they weren't meant to be melee toons.

This is obviously a matter of preference. How many people use blapper builds? PvP Energy Blasters? Melee. */Fire uses PBAoE powers, how is that ranged.

Anyways, just because someone does something poorly doesn't mean everyone does. It's easy to say something is wrong or bad because a few people give it a bad name, but does that mean it's the wrong or right way? There isn't one.

Another Prime example, I know plenty of people who when teaming try to avoid death as much as possible, while running an almost pure Pingu team, we don't care, in fact sometimes revel in the idiocy of what we're doing. It's a blast. What's wrong and right don't really play into it.

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I agree with Celestial, teams are hard to come by and I take what I can get.

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I have this issue from time to time, and redside I don't ever have a team, unless it's AE. I totally know where you are coming from.

I'm not looking to talk about accusing anyone of what they've done or the purposes for what they've done so let's try to keep this on a philosophical level of how and what we find appropriate amongst ourselves and stay on track. Thanks

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The only thing that I've never understood is how some people will farm badges and then look down on people for farming influence.. its the same thing, I promise you. If someone can logically prove to me that its different, I will retract my statement but I'm yet to see any objective difference.

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That's one of the reasons I'm bringing it up. I 'farm' for badges definitely, and I'm not talking AE badges. I mean how else are you supposed to get the massive Inf badges (On a side note, now with the economy system did that change how we get influence badges?) aside from doing mishs over and over and over again.

I don't see it as any difference. Perhaps we should clarify that the problem we on Champion have with Farming, is EXP Farming? I think that's more appropriate?

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Are you really sure you want to open this can of worms?

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It's only a can of worms if people are hats about it.

I'm seriously interested in the thoughts on this in the Champion 'community' server, seeing as this is where I play and where I'll be judged; accurately or not.

I'm more concerned with the Champion view on it, not the entire gamer's view on it. I don't play with them. I play with Champions.

I'm glad you can justify Mod 08's actions for them. I'm sure they appreciate you doing their job.

I'm not totally against Farming per se, but the motivations with which most use it seem so horribly wrong. I do participate in AE stuff from time to time. Usually when I have nothing better to do. I don't really solo much. I'd rather be on a team, even give a bad one a shot rather than solo. I MMO for the 2nd M part.

This doesn't mean everyone has to agree with me, whatever. However what I did notice, was that when I first came back, even with the same global, it took a while to start rebuilding relationships and getting regular invites to things. And so I did spend some time in AE while tracking down people from the past.

I still will AE. Do I want all boss farms? No. That's just ... I mean... I can't even explain how that doesn't make sense in a mission.

However... I rarely put teams together myself at present seeing as I still feel 'new' to the changes and finally led my first ITF last night and to boot with an atypical team.

Either way, I don't know which Arcs are good, so I depend on others to pick them, I prefer things that aren't 'farms' in AE, but again, I'm trying to make up for some lost time and relearn everything all at once.

I personally would prefer to TF all day long. When I was thinking about this, I realized, you could consider TF'ing farming if you're just trying for merits.

Where are the boundaries of what's considered farming and what isn't?

How many times do you have to redo something for it to be considered farming? Once you hit 50, isn't it inevitable that the toon will at some point be involved in some sort of farming?

Don't we do that for badges (BMT!)?

Thoughts...

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*[/color] The channel was made for bacon.

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Why didn't I get my bacon?!?!!?

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I dont know about you, but I dont see the harm in it, nor do I care! if your saying that its wrong for me to farm a mish out left and right to earn INFL or prestige that sucks.

Yea, I wanna get back to 50! Nothing has really changed with Fire/Fire tankers! Why go thru 50 boring [censored] levels again?

I wanna get up, start running all the TFs getting all my badges, getting all Acolades and working on Hamidons and IO's

Mosty important to me, I want my frigging SG base! Last night alone I made around 30k (aint much) but still!

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Then do what I did. Take the time to get NCSoft to reactivate your old account. I did. And you'd know how much has changed if you actually played instead of farming.

Fresh back you should be arcing to remember what tactics need to be used on different groups. However you can do what you want. It doesn't make you look like a good candidate to lead a SG though.

Just something you should probably think about.

You're really talking about farming on the Champ forums where we are constantly talking about how bad it is?

Smooth.

And no. I'm not interested Sheep man.

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You are a brilliant man and I want to have your babies.

Please join this superteam and we will rise to the top.

I shoud really stop drinking at this point.

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QFT - We will never let you forget this.

Smexy. When you have a VG up for new toons let me know in game and I'll get on and coalition for you. I'll be on most of this evening as I finally reactivated my second account and will be shuffling everything around to be happy ... o_o

As I was saying I have a Plant/Thorns that I wouldn't mind exemping down. I have a VG, albeit a silly one that I won't leave "We're on a Boat" that I don't recruit for nor would I want to leave. But I'd be happy to coalition with whatever you start to at least give some basic teleporting functions to the Team if you want it. I'm interesting in hitting any arcs I may have missed and seeing it all with other people.

Teaming on redside has always been... lame so far for me.

I'm probably going to respec the toon, so if there's something you'd like at certain levels, we should talk

As much as I'd enjoy to do something like this where there will be plenty of time for killing and such, Family, BBQ, all that good stuff. Then Drinking and Fireworks. (I can't wait to see who gets hurt first)

I'd be interested in possibly entertaining this notion as well. However I already have a lvl 35 dom that has gotten through some content but wouldn't mind revisiting it and doing the SF's as well. However I already have a VG over there.

Happy United Province Making Country Type Day

I'm game. Fire/Fire Blaster.

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Ran the Khan with some Pingus. It went much better, though I died a few times more than I'd have liked to.

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You ran with the Pingus and didn't expect to die a lot? Lol.

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JW: You have AB Friar!
DF: Woo! Muahahaha
DF runs off and lasts for 10 seconds but clears massive numbers of mobs.
JW: Just cause you have AB doesn't mean you have to be stupid!
DF: But I had fun!
(As a note, Pingu teams on Invincible are a riot, especially on Vent)

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Honestly, with all the xp smoothing, patrol xp, et al, I didn't think we'd be getting any more 2XP weekends. Are they really necessary?

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Why wouldn't you want one? o_o

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Noticed the WW bug where Info popups don't pop up in the Market window or your Recipe window. I have to close and reopen to fix. :/

I'll have to get to work on those arena badges. :3

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I thought that was just my computer freaking out.

I need to get working on those badges too... >_<

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Turn off Anisotropic Filtering, turn off Bloom, turn off Water Effects, turn off Depth of Field. All will cause problems.

The best recommendation I can give is to thoroughly read and follow the settings in the first post in BillZBubba's ATI Issues and Settings Recommendations thread stickied above.

Also, search for an updated audio driver, yours is a bit out of date.

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Thanks, this is what I needed!
Much appreciated.