Dark One

Would cross time itself for her...

*sigh*

I don't have a PS3 so I can't speak there.

However, I do have a 360 and not one of the 28 games I have require me to be connected to the internet to play it, ttbomk. For parts like multiplayer and co-op? Yes, but not for single-player.

Please enlighten me then to the names of these full console games that require constant connection.

Prove it.

If people didn't give a damn about DRM, then Spore wouldn't have been one of the most pirated games in history, yet it had one of the most restrictive DRM methods at the time.

Fallout: New Vegas...according to the numbers I've found, it has a 360 sale-rate of approximately 10x (850k for the 360, 460k for the PS3, 90k for the PC) that of the PC for week one. Now, one cannot verify if that was because of the DRM requirement for the PC or not.

Fallout 3...according to the numbers I've seen, 4.7 million copies sold during launch week worldwide, of which, 55% were 360, 28% PS3, 17% PC. Which amounts to nearly 800k PC units.

Of course, that mixes worldwide and US only and I wasn't able to find US-only stats for Fallout 3. But of the two games, one had barely any DRM, the other requires a third-party program.

According to another stat page on Gamasutra, in 2007, PC sales accounted for a measly 14% of total game sales with the majority of those going to WoW and The Sims.

Except that IS what the topic is about. You can't look at gaming with blinders on. PC gaming is not gaining new players at nearly the rate the consoles are. People are moving away from PC because of a variety of issues, such as enforced obsolence, the upgrade treadmill, invasive DRM, learning curve of use, etc. It is definitely not a healthy platform at the moment.

And those developers? How many of them are strictly PC-only nowadays? Blizzard. That's just about it, in terms of "big" names.

A console is DRM, yet it is invisible DRM. It's DRM that works. While I can't play a 360 game on a PS3, I have zero worries about a game not working out of the box.

I can play pretty much any of my 360 games (no, I don't buy XBLM games) without an internet connection. I turn it on and the system works.

Compare that with C&C4 or Ubisoft's trend of requiring constant internet connection or your game stops working.

I've had ONE 360 red-ring and that was 2 years after purchase (bought on launch day of Halo 3). Sent it in and got one back in short order.

I've had ONE PS2 brick on me and that was one of the original fat models and that was only after several years (can't remember how many).

Buggy games that can't get patched? How many PC games are shipped in perfect working order with no patches needed? Just look at Fallout: New Vegas' bug issues that exist on multiple platforms.

Can you tell me with a straight face that PC gaming is at all healthy right now? As compared with the consoles?

I used to be big into PC gaming. I've got literally hundreds of PC game discs (not hundreds of games as a lot are multi-disc) and that's not counting my 3.5" and 5.25" games. In the last few years, I've only bought a handful of PC games...Fallout 3, The Witcher, Oblivion, Dawn of War, and CoH expansions and a few really old games that I needed to replace like Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, etc.

Compare that with the 360 where in the last month alone, I've bought Halo: Reach, The Force Unleashed, Bayonetta, The Simpsons Game, Enchanted Arms, Dead Rising 2, Soulcalibur 4, BlazBlue, and a couple others. Granted, they were bought used except for Reach and DR2.

No, actually it isn't a strawman. It's a legitimate argument of why people are moving away from PC gaming. If the companies are loading so much into the "You aren't buying it, just renting it from us" angle, then naturally people are going to be less inclined to buy products for said system.

Yes, it is viable, however the game companies themselves are doing everything in their power to make it less attractive to the customers. I can go into pretty much any store and see the PC game section being relegated to a couple of titles, meanwhile the 360/PS3/Wii section is huge.

Not to mention the fact of spending hours trying to get it to work on the PC vs putting a disc into a console. If you've got limited time to play, what are you going to do? Spend 3 hours futzing with a PC install for 15 minutes of game time? Or spend 15 minutes installing to a 360 and playing for 3 hours?

Mass Effect 1 - 5 activations, SecuROM presence, online activation

Left For Dead - Valve game requiring Steam which is DRM

Fallout 3 - SecuROM but it is removable

Dragon Age - All 3 released at the same time


And tell me, why would I play most of those games on a PC when there is the much, much simpler method of "Insert Disc" for a console? Rather than having to deal with Error Message XR2892B-Q for the hundredth time. The exceptions being those that support extensive modding like Fallout 3.

0/0, No AVs, and solo. Tons of bosses with a minion typically. Dual lts also happen quite frequently.

Sometimes yes.

However, what is bothering me is the preponderence of Boss-class mobs coming out. Seems to be a higher spawn rate of Vampire Lords and Crones than in previous years, IMO.

Aiwa. Made decent electronics. I had a neat ol' little stereo system by them, but damn if I can find the thing now. All I know is that I've been unable to locate it for the last five years. >.<

My memory is listening to a techno mix tape done by a guy that I knew in college. Good stuff there. Still have that tape somewhere 'round these parts.

Eh, as long as she doesn't have a horse's head grafted to her torso.

Besides, people have pig valves in their hearts, what's the big deal with a baboon uterus? It's still a primate, after all.

Is that Ham Master or Harn Master? Kinda hard to distinguish in italics.

Cuz a game called Ham Master would be excellent. You master hams, either the little fuzzy kind or the tasty-with-a-brown-sugar-glaze variety, to defeat your foes.