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Quote:Kat spitsYou are kidding right? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Nuff said.
Fat kid jokes are always funny. Unless of course you are fat then I suppose you might be offended. However Reaver's first post actually made me fall out of my chair and spit water every where. So it was pretty F'n funny. Seriously. -
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Quote:Staminaless blasters with kins ftw lolHopefully the pointless flamewar stops soon... but throwing some more out there: Lifting or Raising a stalker cap would do nothing to diversify lineups. Lineups would be DIFFERENT from what they are now, but not necessarily diverse.
Throwing even more out there: We plan on running a kin in almost every match, not that it matters at all. -
Quote:Your argument of it takes more skill to counter pick via match screen is nulled by counter picking based on anticipation. Every match we played in the league I guessed what they would bring and put a counter line up in. And in that regard Id say itd take more skill that waylf another argument for line-up submissions besides that of start times.
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Quote:lololololthis is seriously sounding like all those baddie zone kids complaining about stalkers and asking for hide to be off.
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Quote:No one besides you wants 3 hour matches.bad /psypunk attempt, dex.
the removal of the stalker cap comes hand in hand with the blind-line-up issue. if you're so retarded as to not understand why that is, just stop talking.
Lol @psypunk attempt i just discredited your whole post so if you cant comprehend what was said, just stop talking. -
Quote:This is true, Vert is the best ASing stalker in the game imo.I'm not taking a side, but I'm going to throw this out there since some people seem to have a misconception:
Sharks are not an issue because of bad stalkers who are unable to AS. It has NOTHING to do AT ALL with that. Our stalkers can out-stalk any others in the league (I know like 3 fat kids who are going to get angry right now), and we occasionally ran teams centric around sharking. We aren't the only team to do it either, SMD used the Shrak-spike-jump-team to stunning effectiveness.
In these cases, sharking isn't something you do because you are too bad to AS, it's something you do because you plan on it, and because you know that two sharks through an EF deal 1300+ damage.
and EF 2 sharks is 1400+ dot damage vs blasters with frozen armor. -
Quote:Dumb ran MMs everywhere including Eden. Cigal ran MMs on cargo. We ran a fort in almost every match vs cigal and dumb which is half the season so 50% fort ftw. No thermals you got me there o wait thats not gonna change a lack luster healer will always be lack luster. Cold corrs why are you arguing cold corrs seriously this isnt the villain ladder. We ran a cold troller though ftw. Non troller TA why are you arguing this? Maybe give defenders a focused acc or a phase in the epic and well talk. Non emp trollers ummm Tempty Fairy Rice and dont try saying thats bad emps because Rice is the best all around emp in the game he plays like klesk and klesk in my eyes was League MVP. Vex wanted a Emp Psi but didnt wanna re run accolades and lvl it. We also ran a Fire Dev blaster in a match dumb had a Psi Mental. Dont blame a stalker cap on why people dont try other things if you did the numbers you'd know that Psi doesnt even do the most damage thats fire even vs blasters with frozen armor fire does more thats kinda redic, its about the delayed damage. I feel like you are arguing facts that you have made up in your head from the lack of watching matches. Removing stalker cap is not going to create diversity.#2: i'll break it down for you since it seems like it needs to be done: we saw so many mm's outside of the lab map. we saw a million forts. we saw so so many thermals. and oh god, yes, i throughly enjoyed all the cold corrs that were part of winning matches. add to that all the non-ta non-emp trollers. those were everywhere. oh wait. they weren't. oh and the non-psi/em blasters, those were great.
#4: already broke it down for you before. fort chasing you + mm pets permantently locked on you = harder than tab tab click x 3-4. -
Quote:sections 2 and 4 of the penialAn argument for that could be made.
But if the last league didn't prove to you how the blind-line-up submission completely wrecked the roles of even more ATs when it came to high-end pvp matches, then there's no way you're gonna see things from my point of view.
i'm PERSONALLY ok with no ts no hd because I (MEMEMEMEME) believe they up the skill-ante, the game stops being a JUST damage spam. so yes, it's fiteclub. it's huge fiteclub.
if you can make an argument that states that playing a psy/em in a league match took more skill than playing a stalker with 4 forts up your *** much like in i12, then i might see things your way. i'd rather be challenged by countering teams than keep playing mf dice with line-ups. -
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I think we can all agree that you are fighting a losing battle barrier. It looks like the captains want a stalker restriction as well as double blind line ups.
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Quote:Your whole argument seems to be leading to one thing and one thing only... A villain ladder, Please feel free to go make one.oh yeah, hitting three buttons in quick succession after hitting tab 3 times over is a lot harder than evading mm pets, webs and dominate being constantly thrown at you in order to land an AS (sharks are good, but seriously AS is what gets you a kill, but nevertheless, let's pretend it's just about 300 point sharks out hide). totally.
seriously dex?
And a blaster that gets only 3 attacks off is a bad blaster, Im starting to see why some jump teams didnt seem as strong as some others. -
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Guarantee the Psy em will die more then a stalker no matter what. So yes. Not to mention the blaster has to actually do an attack chain not just SHRAK RUN OMG GTFO SHRAK IS OFF.
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Quote:4 forts in i17 pvp would do nothing but disrupt its not i12 anymore barrier as much as I would have liked to play then and have it be that way now its not that way. Playing a Psi em now takes more skill then playing a stalker now I think we can all agree on that. If you are looking to up the skill ante removing the stalker limit is not a valid way of doing that. If stalkers were like vert and AS'd instead of throwing Sharks Id say maybe but its just that stalkers have ranged crits and thats all most use. There is alot of diversity even in the league unless you missed every match dUmb played... Running MMs and what not then there was Cigal with their cargo back room force bubble line ups, the addition to Doms to line ups, the running of 2 stalkers with your Psi Ems. Forts in line ups vs cigal and or dumb. Maybe you missed most of the matches I dunno but you seem to be missing alot of the aspects of the league line ups.An argument for that could be made.
But if the last league didn't prove to you how the blind-line-up submission completely wrecked the roles of even more ATs when it came to high-end pvp matches, then there's no way you're gonna see things from my point of view.
i'm PERSONALLY ok with no ts no hd because I (MEMEMEMEME) believe they up the skill-ante, the game stops being a JUST damage spam. so yes, it's fiteclub. it's huge fiteclub.
if you can make an argument that states that playing a psy/em in a league match took more skill than playing a stalker with 4 forts up your *** much like in i12, then i might see things your way. i'd rather be challenged by countering teams than keep playing mf dice with line-ups.
Lets do a mock line up here with what you suggested.
Team A: 2 emps 6 stalkers
Team B: 2 emps 4 Forts 2 stalkers (since nothing else can kill with just 2)
Match becomes a 4v4 2 emps 2 stalkers vs 2 emps 2 stalkers granted your forts will do a little damage to the other stalkers and those other stalkers will get some out of hide sharks off. Sounds like alot of fun to me. So much skill being showcased. If you wanna argue this maybe try to get the ladder be 4v4s -
So we shouldnt add rules? hmmm TS and HD are on then? hmm your new system sure sounds like fiteklub to me.
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Quote:You seem to be the only one emo here.ok, cool, then instead of 6 psi/ems and 2 emps, we might consider bringing a few forts, and omg omg omg a mastermind or two? nooooo waaaai?
so go ahead.
go for the full stalker team.
oh but wait, you get all emo when people counter-pick. guess you'll need a rule for that.