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Quote:Indeed! See we can agree!Originally Posted by Firemoth
Too bad they didn't have time to do a Christmas tree or a candy cane for the titan weapons....that would have made it that much more awesome! -
this is why I don't fill it in.
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I grabbed mine!
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Always remember in Multi-reality dimensional theory there a rich, powerful version of you dating the hottest gender of your choice, in some far off place you always dreamed of going to.
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Quote:You mean other than the implied negative judgement on people that like cheesecake? I think that rather damning itself further I still challenge whether it on topic at all, since it really comes off as a stab against those who like cheesecake. you are setting a certain moral superiority in your tone.Originally Posted by Aneko
Look at my original statement again. Actually read it this time.
I said: "It's a shame that some people can't see a woman as feminine or attractive if she's conservatively dressed. I can."
Why do you feel the need to challenge that?
I think the Tattoos are over done but other wise it works for me. Granted i love to see the personality behind that too.Quote:Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Speaking of what people find sexy, I feel it's about high time I threw a little spanner in the works. I posted this over at the All Things Art thread, but it's worth reposting here.
Speaking of cheesecakes, provocative outfits and alluring clothes, do you know what I find sexy? This:
Yeah, I know it's revealing, but that's not the point, not to me, anyway. It's simply that this physique is both unusual and entirely too fitting for how the character acts. When last I brought it up, Golden Girl accused me of being gay, which I'm not to the extent that I'm aware, but who knows?
My point is that "sexy" and "cheesecake" are not the same thing. To my eyes, "cheesecake" is not sexy because it has all of the intentional provocativeness with none of the style, while "sexy" can often be something that's not half-naked or all that curvy. Or curvy in not quite the expected way.
I can agree with that, but I added my constructive post to that thread already, no one comment on it, to be fair it was echo a lot already.Quote:Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I think it's a good sign for the CoH community that this thread isn't getting nearly the amount of traffic as the one asking for more equality
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Quote:There is a logical flaw there, to accept that then you have to say thatOriginally Posted by Aneko
No, it's valid because it is. Did you come here just to be argumentative?
Is equally on topic. Can you?Quote:Originally Posted by Daimyo_Shi
I can find a woman attractive or unattractive despite her physical body type or her clothing.
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Quote:So it is valid because you say so?Originally Posted by Aneko
It was a relevant general statement, not a direct response to anyone or part of the debate. Your approval is not required.
To Techbot Alpha, you don't get to exclude things just because they don't match your point are they out fits or not? Yes they are, then they have to be considered. -
Quote:Hell yeah!Originally Posted by Jake_Summers
Maybe they'll replace Statesman as the game mascot with a sexi-fied Miss Liberty.
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Quote:Signed.Originally Posted by AmazingMOO
I am a heterosexual male. I like pretty girls. I like pretty, scantily-clad girls. I like superheroines and villainesses who are both pretty and scantily clad. I frequently, but not always, like the characters I play in City of Heroes to be pretty, scantily-clad superheroines or villainesses.
I am all for having more costume options for guys.
However, when I look at my closet, I see that Mrs. Moo's section is about 4-5 times as large as mine. I also realize that the vast majority of those clothes, shoes, and accessories have been paid for, at least in terms of cash, by me.
I'm COMPLETELY okay with that. It's a GOOD THING! In my mind, women are vastly more attractive than men. They need more clothes to accentuate that attractiveness. I like buying clothes for her.
You may not share my opinions or tastes. However, I'm a VIP subscriber, and I will also pay for attractive costumes for my female COH characters. My male characters receive far less attention than my female characters when it comes to costumes. When I make the decision on whether or not to purchase a costume item or pack, I'm not nearly as concerned about the male models as I am the female models.
COH Artists and Developers: Please include VASTLY MORE costume pieces for female models than you do male models. More accessories, shoes, boots, and costume items. The more attractive, the better. Scanty is quite alright. Sheer and lacy items are wonderful. Cutouts are awesome. Shiny is fantastic.
Because I like Cheesecake, and I'm willing to pay for it!
I posted on those and been largely ignored, so I understand if the other side of the coin feels ignored.Quote:Originally Posted by Hopeling
OK, now go through Mrs. Moo's part of the closet and remove anything that isn't overtly effeminate and sexualized. Long pants? None of those. Jackets? Get rid of them. Are you still happy with her wardrobe? Is she?
I haven't seen anyone arguing against the existence of "cheesecake" costume options. It's when we get ONLY cheesecake options that it becomes a problem.
I'm not sure this actually needs its own thread when it's obviously a response to the sentiment in another thread already on the front page...
True enough.Quote:Originally Posted by Tenzhi
I think they provide a good variety of costuming, even if I don't necessarily like all of it.
That said, as someone who also likes 'cheesecake', I would like more pieces with well-defined cleavage. Sometimes I find myself gravitating towards the witch top just for that reason.
No the Cheesecake options for men are being ignored there are several of even discounting the fact that Tights are much more like body paint on men as their body show every muscle.Quote:Originally Posted by Firemoth
Not to mention, I don't like it that there's massive amounts of cheesecake but hardly any sexy bishi or beefcake options for guys. I play both genders, mostly guys, but I play both genders on this game. I don't like that I only have a few options for faces that I find "sexy", while there are several female faces that I could easily find "sexy". Same with bodies, yes, there is the option for ripped or smooth chest for bare chest, but most of the other tops under tight are completely ripped. I want more options with the smooth muscle, as most of my guys are lean/lithe instead of steroid popping gym thugs (yes, went to extremes, but for some reason that image fit in my head best)
That is a Straw woman, I can find a woman attractive or unattractive despite her physical body type or her clothing. Does that have anything to do with the mater at hand? No it doesn't.Quote:Originally Posted by Aneko
It's a shame that some people can't see a woman as feminine or attractive if she's conservatively dressed. I can.
LOL! Bonus internets for you!Quote:Originally Posted by Kierthos
.... well, there's no riding crop.
WHAT?
Please not that this point has been pretty much ignored thus far. Which of course is likely what inspired this thread.Quote:Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
ok but heres the thing, as you saw posted in the thread, we didnt get sexy after sexy. out of 16 packs only 5 had unique costume parts for women, some of which could be varying levels of skimpy, OR given the nature of the costume creator, could be entirely modest, your choice. so lets be honest, it was sexy(with tuxedo jackets as well for female characters), then unisex, then unisex, then unisex..down the line a bit, then magic which did sexy with varying levels of coverage, from little to total(witch bare to witch leather respectively), then we got unisex, unisex..till later on we got a steampunk set that had parts that could be sexy if you chose to not put anything underneath them, then unisex, then unisex, on and on. in fact, preceding the angst ridden gunslinger was the fully unisex cot and the halloween pack, which had a exclusive female hair, but otherwise was unisex. so the problem with sexy after sexy is it misrepresents what we actually have been getting, which is a mix of unisex with unique looks when they have significant iconic looks that work.
So you going to exclude and selectively edit to make your point, that kind of dishonest.Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Here we are, I knew this table got posted somewhere.
So, yes, I edited the post slightly, taking out the Celestial armour because it's not a paid for booster. It's a Vet reward.
So, we have a chunk of boosters with specific themes in them at the end. I also don't see the CoT pack as counting, for the simple reason that we knew exactly what was coming in M/F divide. We only had to look at the NPCs to know. There was no surprises or anything like that.
So, for complete sets we have Steampunk, then Barbarian and then Gunslinger.
Steampunk was mostly fine with a 'feh, no jacket' which was a major complaint from the Magic Pack two entire years prior. Surely they should have noticed that back then? Apparently not.
Then came Barbarian, with the first 'This is a bit silly' moment with thigh high, high heeled boots and furry edged skirts and the like.
And then we got Gunslinger. With all that entailed.
That's three complete, themed and paid for packs in a row. That's not 'misrepresenting' anything, really.
Also, Rian, would it seriously kill you to use paragraphs or basic capitalisation? Walloftext is not a pretty thing.
That is Complete falsehood! Further the Barbarian is cheesecake for both genders at the same time! Yes that makes a difference, it how the theme goes. You can't just ignore it because it undermines your point.Quote:That's three complete, themed and paid for packs in a row. That's not 'misrepresenting' anything, really.
I agree with all of this. Of course so did a Red name in the Original thread.Quote:Originally Posted by BrandX
You know, I tried pointing this out, and people still kept saying all the packs were cheesecake, and I forgot the alpha and omega sets!
They'd even bring up the Witch Costume, and totally forget there's an option to use it without baring any skin.
Basically, all those people may be ruining the chances of getting costume options many others have wanted. :/
Hopefully, the devs will stay the course.
However, it would be kinda funny if those complaining get what they want, only to find the bundle doesn't sell well at all, and the devs go "Well, damn. Back to what we were doing."
I don't think it was ever intend to be used to make pre-teens, yes those in a cups don't get represented, but i not sure it not a reasonable slider range.Quote:Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
In all seriousness, this is a complaint I've heard frequently in game over the past two years (since I subscribed), and I was kind of bewildered the first time I noticed how ample the smallest allowed size is.
well you have a point but it is still an unfair thing to say on a forum, it not like people really know you. Three of the Arguable sexist characters in comics are Catwoman, Power Girl and She-Hulk, all of which I actually like more for their personalities then their bodies. [not that anyone believes me though]Quote:Originally Posted by MisterMagpie
Too lazy to quote, but being called sexist (saw a lot of stuff about it being a loaded word) isn't actually a huge insult. It's not like you get a big red 'S' branded on your forehead. It's just a description of something that's not exactly permanent. I mean, it's not a great thing to be, don't get me wrong, but it also shouldn't be treated as if it shuts the whole conversation down.
Anyway. Anyway.
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Quote:I hate this too! I strongly hate being broke a certain week or the like and loosing out.Originally Posted by MisterMagpie
Am not a fan of them taking costume pieces off the market. It's not like they have to keep a warehouse from being filled up with excess.
if I can't buy it I don't want to see it!Quote:Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
While the Pilgrim Hat is still clearly being offered by the Tailor and can be added to the shopping basket, checking out at the market results in an UNKNOWN ITEM IN SKU error.
Come on, Paragon Studios, get your act together. This is absurd. -
I like funny stuff it is stuff I will buy!
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Quote:I call them as i see them, so you are sure their are no females in marketing? Because I tell you what Diet Coke especially at the time was aimed at women.Originally Posted by Talen Lee
You might wanna be cautious about telling a woman what women think and act like in general, especially when one of your cites is an ad designed by men. Just saying.
I bought the gunslinger pack mostly for the hat, cigero and female hair, the jacket is I think stupid looking! You want your female characters to wear that?
Listen to this guy!Quote:Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Actually, you have to work really hard to find a linkage between Magic pack and other stuff. Here is the actual timeline of releases according to ParagonWiki:
- Wedding (Feb 2008) -- women get both tux and dress
- Cyborg (Sept 2008)
- Valkyrie (March 2009)
- Magic (April 2009) -- differences in genders
- Science (July 2009)
- Martial Arts (Nov 2009)
- Going Rogue (April 2010)
- Origins (Nov 2010)
- Animal (Feb 2011)
- Steampunk (June 2011) -- difference in genders, first time corsets show up
- Celestial Vet Award
- Barbarian (Aug 2011) -- difference in genders, both with lots of flesh on display
- Circle of Thorns (Sept 2011)
- Halloween (Oct 2011) -- difference in genders, but no one cares
- Gunslinger (Nov 2011) -- difference in genders
- Fire and Ice
I may have missed a release or two in there.
To come to the conclusion that developers are "only" making sexy clothes for females you have to wait until the Magic pack to start. Then you have to intentionally overlook Science, Martial Arts, the Going Rogue pieces (Resistance and PPD), Origins, and Animal. We didn't get out first corset until the middle of this year, less than 5 months ago. In 5 months we got 6 releases. Only two* of them varied by gender, and one of those had easily as much male flesh on display. [*Halloween varied slightly by gender, but presumably isn't receiving criticism because it's harder to find a way to call it sexist.]
We don't have to speculate about whether when we get scientists we'll get half naked nurse chicks, because we got that and it didn't happen.
Tempest, tea pot, etc. Yes I want jackets for girls too but a little objectivity would go a long way. I wouldn't even be surprised to learn all 6 corsets were developed at the same time and just split up among the packs, since they all came within a very short period of each other; we waited 7 years just to get our first one. -
Quote:You clearly haven't been to a bachelorette party, woman react to bare skin in much the same why but have better PR/do it in private. I am reminded of the Diet Coke Commercial where the women were drooling over a Sexy construction worker. that equally a sexist commercial as any beer commercial. this idea that women are not capable of the same kind of action as men is false.Originally Posted by FoxLee
Mind you, you still have a design that cups, highlights and draws attention to critical parts of the female anatomy. And it's still a skin-tight affair with high-heeled boots and opera gloves, emphasising sexiness while the guys instead get a practical and pretty durned badass look.
Saying that skin is the issue there is like saying that full-body spray-on latex should be appropriate for everyday wear, because it covers all the important bits.
I see what you're saying, but the point is not actually how much skin is being shown, it is the style and purpose thereof.
When male characters are designed showing a lot of skin, it is almost always to make them look rugged, wild, manly, powerful etc. Artists like Boris Vallejo illustrate plenty of nearly-naked men, but they're not designed to be sexy to women; they are an uber-macho ideal that men expect women "should" be attracted to (despite the fact that in general, women prefer guys who are fit but don't look like condoms stuffed with walnuts). In other words, skin exposure on male characters is (generally) aimed at guys who wish they were hyper-macho badasses.
OTOH, when female characters are designed showing a lot of skin, it is almost always because they are supposed to titillate viewers. It is extremely rare that a scantily-clad woman is dressed that way to make her seem cooler, tougher, or more powerful - she might still be a badass, but that's amost never the point of the design*. In other words, skin exposure on female characters is (generally) aimed at guys who wish they got to look at more boobies.
Now, typically both men and women actively like to see sexy female characters in popular media. However, while women also like sexy men, male viewers don't - there's even a trend of feeling a bit threatened or disdainful toward attractive male characters, and a preference for more primitive, ugly-but-manly macho ideals. Outside of anime/manga (which shouldn't be overlooked, since unlike western comics it has a significant female market segment), attractive female characters are highly desired, but attractive male characters are only somewhat desired, and otherwise merely tolerated.
Ergo, due to the inherent difference in how male and female nudity is treated, and the inherent similarity in whose benefit they are for, "showing skin" is not equivalent between male and female characters. Showing skin on either gender fundamentally suggests traditional gender roles - it is typically done to make the men seem more powerful, and the women more sexualised - and therefore they both actually cater to the same preference, not to opposites.
Besides which, males can always show more skin "real estate" without it being sexual, because a bare male chest is not viewed as an inherently sexual thing. The bare female chest, except in some older cultures that are certainly not the audience of this game, absolutely is. It's perhaps unfortunate that this is so, but it's undeniably a fact of how western society views the male and female forms.
So yeah. The barbarian pack may offer less actualy clothing for both genders, but that's certainly not equalising the gender roles - if anything, it's reinforcing them.
(*At best you get interesting quirks like the version of Power Girl who was charmingly shameless; at worst you get blatant hypocrisy like the version of Power Girl who ******* about chavinism when any guy dared to look at her giant cleavage window. Either way, the costume came about purely for sex appeal.)
Overall I think I just might be bitter because no one reply that they read my responses in this thread, which i find annoying. -
I pick the Archetype that fits the character, not the other way around. Done, end of story!
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Quote:No they don't, but the problem is not one is talking about that [heck I don't see the Steam punk as being terribly down that road.Originally Posted by Vaelynn
I really would like more costume options for female characters as well. I.e a cowgirl as opposed to a barmaid. It just feels so sexist to me that female characters MUST flaunt their feminine assets in a superhero game.
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Quote:It something i been complaining about since I was 16 and i first noticed it, that nearly 20 years ago.Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
Well, for the NPCs I understand that the original reason was that CoH beta testers were asked if they wanted a greater variety of enemies, or male and female models for the same enemies; the former was chosen. I agree they should have added more females since then though.
You rescue a female cop in the first Loyalist: Power story arc. Her bio mentions that there are very few female cops in Praetoria.
Conserving resources I understand; male and female variations on the same critter take about as many resources and making two separate critters. So sometimes they add some gender variety while saving resources by doing both at once and making the different members of a faction different genders. Like Carnies with Strong Men; there's no Strong Women, nor any Ringmasters.
Really?
Unrealistic? Yes. But heels are all over comics. And with some characters they aren't even an especially bad idea; if she fights by flying around and blasting, it doesn't matter if a superheroine wears heels, or even if she has legs at all.
POST REMOVAL ON FACEBOOK IS NOT CENSORSHIP. it is a controlled space run by the Game Company it is in my best interest to keep that as no confrontational as possible. If Facebook took that down from your own wall then you "might" have some kind of theory case [since you signed a agreement to obey facebook's rules, you would in the end have no case.Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Yup, it's official. Second post just got deleted off the Facebook post. Censorship is alive and kicking in Paragon! Woo!
Nice job guys! Y'know what, I think I'm done. My last 6 month sub hit this month, so, come next year? Well, I'll see when it gets to it. But I think you can kiss any more money from me goodbye. I think I'm through.
Addressing other point i think people need to chill out! it really not worth getting this worked up about it. Granted that might be because I seeing a lot of point being restated and not a lot of points being address or refuted. Most of mine were ignored but i think the fact that in something like four hours this page count has nearly doubled, says something. -
Quote:Point of Order, there is more personality in any one Wonder Women, Black Cats (here's looking at you, Virtue), Storms, Mystiques, Power Girls and She-Hulks than 10,000 Sue Storms. I think there is a vast over statement about many woman in the Comic books that because they are sexy is the only reason it sells. She-Hulk had at least two series that were extreamlly well written for the most part. Storm is one of the most complex and well written super heroes period [if it hasn't all been re-con twice by now]. Power Girl is labeled over the top sex pot despite her personality being totally against that image.Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
The female characters I play are more modestly dressed, and I agree that it wouldn't hurt to see more variety in that department. But those four characters don't represent the average, and neither do your forum's complaints. Please keep that in mind! In the comics, for every Sue Storm, there are a gazillion Emma Frosts, Scarlet Witches, Wonder Women, Black Cats (here's looking at you, Virtue), Storms, Mystiques, Power Girls and She-Hulks. And it SELLS. Now, log in to the game and tell me if you see much difference.
Back? Good. Now you know, many of your female players actually do enjoy their more revealing choices.
This is a comic book genre-based game, which is what the artists have been designing for. And the artistic direction in City of Heroes is the best out there. So please don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Do not hand the steering wheel to the forum community for the game's artistic direction. I'm not saying don't listen to the community. I'm saying we rarely represent your wider audience's tastes (CoT revamp and pre-tinting are probably exceptions, obviously), as sales have undoubtedly revealed time after time after time after time.
true but a lot of my women when work boots or combat boots. Wether that at all works for you, I don't know.Quote:Originally Posted by Siolfir
I somewhat agree with this as well.
And yet I keep using Thigh Highs and Stilettos because the shape of the feet is just wrong when I try using Flat boots. They just look like blocks instead of feet to me - at least with the heels I there's a slope and some shape.
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Galaxy is gone? New opening is interesting, the new interface for the character builder is cool. I love the Moral choice thing. I miss Breakout already.
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Quote:And that exists, maybe not in the Gunfighter pack but else where.Originally Posted by Fanservice
Literally no-one is arguing against sexy characters.
In fact I'll just go right to the point. http://womenfighters.tumblr.com/
There. A lot of those are both sexy and actually look like they belong as some kind of action hero. That's all we want!
I see a lot more general complaining than just about the gunfighter pack. I just trying to be clear here.Quote:Originally Posted by Chyll
You are misinterpreting then.
Many of the posters have said, repeatedly, they are perfectly happy to dress their characters sexy and do so.
We wanted legitimate gunslinger options in the gunslinger set, not just refashioned sexy bits from the last couple of sets.
Or a Dance hall, I be the first to say some more skirt and dress items would be nice. I not trying to invalidate your point as much as I am trying to get people to remember that their is another side to it.Quote:Originally Posted by ArcticFahx
We're complaining about this outfit making characters look like prostitutes because it is an outfit most seen in a house of ill repute.
Sorry this a Graphical MMORPG not a Pen and Paper RPG that creates limitations of both time and money, it be awesome if everyone one could where everything they wanted. I like hair on some of my guys while wearing hats for example. Of course we totally for get the Spandex you can see a man's six pack as being not the same problem on men. I have a Pirate wearing a Lab Coat because there wasn't the correct option for him too.Quote:Originally Posted by Zortel
My tone is that the Gunslinger outfits for females looks like the attire of a Hollywood film harlot rather than anything period, sensible or seemly.
I have characters that have hero (or villain) work outfits, formal outfits, work outfits (A fair few of my characters have a nice selection of lab coats, being scientists and such, and a couple have overalls being mechanics and engineers and so on), casual outfits, suits (including dress suits and trouser suits for females) and so forth. Hell, one even has my idea of a Mighty Mart uniform, being his place of work.
Another poster mentioned Baron jackets and people wanting their female characters to dress like men, to which I say:
Special Operations Unit N would look bloody awesome if they could all wear Baron Jackets as military overcoats. Nachtbrecher, Hochstapler, Isaiah Creed, Gail's Force, Project Geist, Chromagia. Three girls in that set up.
Masugn doesn't get an overcoat because he's a walking blast furnace golem from Sweden.
I have other characters that'd love the Baron jacket for various reasons, from military to just looking cool to protecting from the weather.
Agreement! What you don't have a male character that screams to have Sir Pounce-alot on his shoulders.Quote:Originally Posted by Paladin
I'm glad that you're listening to feedback, but can you pass along the request not to neglect male options for gender neutral pieces, as well? There's nothing so frustrating as seeing things like the steampunk clockface belt or the waistcap bustle (that can be used with the current medieval armor to create a nice belt) that could be used for males get locked onto female characters only. Shoulder-cats/pandas/etc. come to mind.
Wait, one minute here, the gunslingers pack is at least period specific and setup to the period, it certainly better than the magic pack in that regard.Quote:Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
The magic pack has been out for over two years. If you had listened to feedback then, there would have been less offense.
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Please note that Dressing Sexy doesn't make women sluts automatically I I think very much that is the tone most of the Anti-sexy posters are having here. Not to detract from their over all point that is valid but let us not heap on other stereo types while fining against one.
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Quote:It looks great with the Villain theme!Originally Posted by DarkGob
Oh good, now more people will have those hideous gold names.
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Quote:I play a lot of Commander [EDH] and I Draft on Fridays, it gets me out of the house.Originally Posted by Tyger42
People still play Magic? Miss oldschool M:tG. From what I've seen, it just doesn't feel the same anymore. Can't find a good game 'round these parts anyway...or afford to get a new deck together that's any good, really.
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Quote:Warhammer, Magic, PS3 Games, I have week off coming up so I get some game time in, I hoping to get a couple hours in a week to keep my hand in it. Everything is burst with me.Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
welcome back, was wondering what you were up to.
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So I been away for 6th months [buy paying my VIP amounts anyways]
So I logged int to mercy today briefly to do a mission and found out that I was in the middle of a Longbow base now. WTF?
So not I have the painful task of begging for a recap of the last couple issues so I have some ideas what the Hades is going on. -
So it is football season again and I have again started a league for CoX players. this year i didn't cap it so there should be no trouble with that this year.
the code is
Code to join this league: 1580885-340002
http://www.premierleague.com/
Hope to see many join, it a great game and it is free.