DSorrow

Most of my characters take around 100 hours to reach 50, my leveling is mostly done by TFs so I try to do a TF every time I have time to play. This also means I rarely bother to play at all if I have less than two hours available. And yes, I think that half an hour to an hour spent crafting is a drop in the bucket compared to those 100 hours. If I was leveling slower, I would mind it even less.

Wrong. I spend maybe 5-7 hours a week playing CoH. That's one to three TFs if I'm lucky, some duoing with a friend if TFs aren't available. This is why I prefer the market: I don't have to spend much time playing the game in order to get powerful characters I enjoy much more than the baseliners.

I guess better wording would have been "1 market cycle = empty time between two play sessions". Once you get a grasp of the market you can reliably put bids high enough to get you the items you want in one market cycle but low enough to still save a bunch of inf. Besides, as the quality of the items progresses, you should be ready to wait more to get the bargains.

I usually check the market every day or every two days. That takes me about 10 minutes. As for actually playing the game, that's what I do during weekends when I don't have anything urgent going on. You know, studying does take quite a bit of time especially when you have your final exams approaching.


Could be. I'm no business expert, I have never actually even studied economics, but I do have some logic and a bit of common sense in my head. Those two tell me that if you want top quality stuff, right now, ready to use it's going to cost you more than being happy good stuff, soon or a bit later and assembling it yourself.

I think you and I have a very different definition of taking advantage of someone/something, at least when we come to where we cross the border to It's Morally Wrong.

In my opinion, taking advantage of someone is only wrong when they're in a position where they don't have any other options. Here we do have those, people can wait just like I did and get a bargain, but they choose not to. The only thing I'm taking advantage of is people's willingness to pay me in order that I wait so that they don't have to, making me an opportunist rather than a Bad Person. In my opinion.

I read things like this and can only wonder. Do people really think that five market cycles, which often equates to five nights, is too much to kit out their favourite character with items more powerful than they will ever need? In any other game, you're lucky if you can get one upgrade every few days once you reach the top level. Once you start reaching the top gear, you're very lucky if you can get an upgrade every week.

If people really have to have everything right now, I don't think they have the right to complain that it costs a lot. Typically, even in real life, to get stuff express delivered costs more than waiting for a bit longer.

Not all people find it inefficient. Compared to just about any other MMORPG I find it extremely efficient. Besides, salvage is rarely a problem. If the recipe costs 20 million, what does it matter if you throw a few hundred thousand away to get the salvage for it right now? We are talking of a few hundred thousand at most when dealing with salvage savings, which is not enough to bother, in my opinion. Someone might be even more patient than I am, though.

Huh? Compared to any other game we have it easy here. Characters easily powerful enough to solo most content, including stuff designed for teams? Check. Highest level "gear" available without having to commit to raiding? Check. Fast leveling? Check.

We have it so easy, they could only make the game easier by giving a bot along with each account to play for you.

So, let me get this straight...

You have observed and identified the problem which is you hating crafting and being willing to pay people absurd sums of influence to do crafting for you. And this is somehow the fault of Greedy Bad People?

I'm not really interested in what you think, I'm more interested in why you think what you think, so I'll repeat my question. How is wanting anything special (= better than SOs) to make your character better than others or what the game requires you to be not greedy? What's the great distinction between having a lot of inf and expensive sets?

It's a bit funny when you actively skip awkward questions, as well as rationalizing buying items not being greedy because they're for use. Uh, it's not greedy because that's how you'd like the world to work? Well, welcome to reality, it doesn't always work like you'd like it to do.

Really? I'd say my Illu/Cold would be much more ridiculous for most content. Perma PA and soft capped S/L/E/Ranged enable me to do... A lot of stuff.

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Had to? No you didn't. Had you waited, you would've got it for the "going rate", but because you "had" to have it right now, you had to pay more.

I'd be in for the profits, but to be honest, it would hurt item availability EU side so much I don't want it

I pretty much build all of my characters on rares. Very, very few gets purples and even then they're the cheap purple sets like confuse. I don't really use purples because often they aren't the optimal choice for a certain goal or they don't offer enough of an increase in any stat to be worth the 10x cost of a rare set.

Same, that's why I get my Glad Armor uniques through A merits. It's also why I don't use purples. So why do I want to have billions? Because having that much inf enables me to complete just about any build with rares, and also get those elusive purples the very few times I want them. There's also the thing that influence is so easy to come by, I might as well get it. All I need to do is place my bucket next to WW and empty it every day.

Have you actually ever seen him answer any questions that might contend his position on anything? Usually he responds with another question because he doesn't have an answer, but it's in his "tenets of faith" that he's right.

Read again. Maybe you'll catch it this time.


Read again. Maybe you'll catch it this time.

And exactly what does that prove? Yep, people are lazy. If they bothered to take a look at the prices, saw there was a flipper at work, they could've got their stuff for whatever the flipper paid + 1 inf. If everyone was not lazy this wouldn't be possible. Already two marketeers competing on an item lowers prices.




Read my post again. Oh wait, you won't so I'll just say it again in short sentences this time. We have flipper A. We also have flipper B. Flipper A buys stuff for 1000 inf and puts them for sale at 4500 inf. Lazy people buy his stuff for 5k. Flipper B notices A's niche. Flipper B starts buying stuff for 1100 inf and puts them for sale at 4200 inf. People still buy his stuff for 5000. Flipper A notices someone intruding his niche. He starts buying stuff for 1500 inf and putting them up for sale at 3.9k. People now start buying stuff for 4000 inf because it's a nice and easy number.

This goes on and on for a while. Buy price approaches sell price. If continued ad infinitum, buy price = sell price making profit flipping impossible. Because flippers A and B have both set their minimum bet at close to their sell price, people always make at least that much when selling their item. Because flippers A and B produce demand, supply is increased: people no longer delete that stuff because it's worth something. Because flippers A and B compete for the lowest listing price, people never have to pay more than that much to get it.

Understand or do I need to make it even more simple?

I can't give you a number here, but with most items, prices will continue stabilizing for as long as more than one people try to work the same niche. They'll often stop when it's no longer profitable, but come back when it is again. The bottom line is that the difference between minimum and maximum prices for that item becomes smaller, i.e. price spikes are reduced.

I don't know if you've ever heard of the burden of proof, but it was you who claimed marketeering does not stabilize prices, so it's actually up to you to prove it. As for what constitutes a stable price, I'd say that's a price range where the difference between maximum and minimum price is not too big. I don't know how much "not too big" is, but I'd say maximum is not more than 1/3 more than the minimum for medium priced items.

Read again. Flipping raises prices slightly (not wildly = not a spike) but also lowers the maximum price, effectively reducing the range of prices making the item more stable.



No. What irks me is when people challenge what I call logic with tenets of faith. Give me something more than "this works like this done, you wrong" and I might consider you actually don't work on tenets of faith. You know, logical reasoning might be in order.

P.S. I'm not impervious to logic, if you can convince me with logic that flippers do not stabilize prices, I'll admit to being wrong.