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Quote:Awesome nitpickery there. The three minute duration is still hardly enough for anything that actually might have you needing the extra resistance.So does UnstoppableQuote:
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Couple of small things with your build;
Wet Ice has two EndRed IOs where Icicles doesn't even have the equivalent of one; move the second EndRed from Wet Ice to Icicles.
Glacial Armor isn't slotted properly. Ice relies heavily on Defense so making the best of it would be a good idea. I'd never skip slotting it. Also with Weave you could very easily soft cap E/N Defense as well, which is something I would definitely do.
Leadership powers are way overslotted for EndRed. At max I'd go for the equivalent of two EndRed SOs which means about 60% EndRed.
Change the Recharge IO in Hibernate for a Healing IO. Hibernate triggers a two minute NoPhase power which prevents you from using Hibernate until the NoPhase is gone. With Hibernate's base recharge being two minutes, any additional recharge slotting is wasted.
Slotting Health: You should remove the Numina: Heal/Rech in Health because it doesn't really do anything. The +Healing doesn't help you one bit because Hoarfrost has a Resistance component in it, and the two Heal IOs with the Heal/End are enough to cap your Healing enhancement in Health.
General slotting of attacks, I'd drop the Chance for Disorient. It doesn't seem to warrant one full slot because with a soft capped build and lot's of KD from WM you probably wouldn't even notice it. Also this would help getting the attacks slotted to be more Endurance and Recharge efficient. -
This power certainly makes Elec more appealing. Might roll the BS/Elec I've been thinking of now!
Bad thing is, though, that Elec now has too many good powers
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If it were my tank, I'd go for something like this: 44.8% S/L Defense, 46.1% N/E without EA. 37 HP/sec regen rate, 2650 HP, both without Hoarfrost being active. 37.5% global rech and some +DMG on top of that.
This is just a quickie so it might have some flaws, but it's roughly similar to what I have on my Ice/SS.
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Ice Armor
Secondary Power Set: War Mace
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Frozen Armor -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(3), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(15), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 1: Bash -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(45), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(50), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 2: Chilling Embrace -- EndRdx-I(A), Taunt-I(3)
Level 4: Jawbreaker -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(7), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13)
Level 6: Wet Ice -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Hoarfrost -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal(11), Dct'dW-Rchg(11)
Level 10: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Ksmt-ToHit+(13)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A)
Level 16: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(17), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(17), RgnTis-Regen+(48), Heal-I(50)
Level 18: Glacial Armor -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(19), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(19), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(21), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(21), P'Shift-End%(48)
Level 22: Clobber -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(23), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(23), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 24: Taunt -- Zinger-Taunt/Rchg(A), Zinger-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(25), Zinger-Taunt/Rng(25), Zinger-Dam%(45)
Level 26: Energy Absorption -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(27), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(27), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(37), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(40), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(43)
Level 28: Whirling Mace -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(29), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(34), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34)
Level 30: Build Up -- AdjTgt-ToHit(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(31), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(31), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(31), AdjTgt-Rchg(33)
Level 32: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(33), RechRdx-I(33)
Level 35: Shatter -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(36), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37)
Level 38: Crowd Control -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(39), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Icicles -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Erad-%Dam(42), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43), EndRdx-I(43)
Level 44: Hibernate -- Heal-I(A)
Level 47: Permafrost -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 49: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Set Bonus Totals:- 2% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 2% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 2% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 2% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 2% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 2% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 2% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 2% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 14,3% Defense(Smashing)
- 14,3% Defense(Lethal)
- 3% Defense(Fire)
- 3% Defense(Cold)
- 15,5% Defense(Energy)
- 15,5% Defense(Negative)
- 3% Defense(Psionic)
- 8,63% Defense(Melee)
- 9,25% Defense(Ranged)
- 3% Defense(AoE)
- 7,2% Max End
- 27% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 4% Enhancement(Heal)
- 37,5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 5% FlySpeed
- 407,6 HP (21,8%) HitPoints
- 5% JumpHeight
- 5% JumpSpeed
- MezResist(Immobilize) 14,9%
- MezResist(Sleep) 3,3%
- MezResist(Terrorized) 4,95%
- 4% (0,07 End/sec) Recovery
- 62% (4,85 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 1,26% Resistance(Fire)
- 1,26% Resistance(Cold)
- 1,26% Resistance(Energy)
- 1,26% Resistance(Negative)
- 5% RunSpeed
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For a basic IO/SO only build I'd go for something like this (note, I said basic IO/SO only, but the Kismet +6% ToHit is one of the best single IOs you can get and it isn't expensive)
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Well... I am looking for improvements on his current build. Currently he runs all the SD toggles (Grant Cover included), Tough (with just those three Titanium Coatings), Weave and CJ, and he doesn't have any End problems at all. I don't think dropping a toggle will actually spawn End problems.
The Dam/End would, under normal circumstances, be a good addition, but when AAO gives me a lot of +DMG the ~7% increase in Fire Blast's damage Enhancement is barely worth it. The Devastation Quad, though, could be great. -
Quote:There might be some truth to that, but I usually slot a Taunt IO or two in my taunt aura when building a tanker. I might have a look at it, but the current live build only has the three Titanium Coatings in Tough and fares fine. And that build also has Grant Cover running at all times, something the new build hasn't. The Dam/End in Fire Blast would add very little damage so it wouldn't do much. I'll have to play with Mid's and see if I can come up with something.Originally Posted by kokuryu_EU
Okay I would make one change. One change because I believe that only you can come close to what you want. Use the second build but take the Taunt IO in the aura and make it either a dam end slot in fire blast or an end slot in Tough. You decide I guess. AAO is an aura which won't be noticeably any better from a taunt duration. The build requires you to taunt or gauntlet.
I'm not exactly planning to do anything like the STF on my tank. I generally enjoy doing it more as a Defender or Blaster.Quote:"Taunt (AAO and Fire Ball/Shield Charge should be enough)."
Generally but its not enough for every situation. -
Quote:This basically sums it up.Originally Posted by BillZBubbaOne of the primary reasons I solo so often is that I have heard one too many times "you're on a team, stay with the team."
Why should I? The squishies have a tank protecting them. The tank has squshies buffing them. Why should I sit there with the team when I could be off enjoying the game AND helping the team clear the map at the same time?
Why should I lessen my gameplay enjoyment because some twit thinks every mission should be done holding each others' hands while skipping through the mission smelling every daisy on the way?
I play scrappers because they excel at self-sufficiency and slaughter. If you don't want that on your teams, don't invite them.
IF the risk level is so low that my scrapper can single handedly take care of the mobs, why should I slow down? There isn't a good reason for that. After all, I'm just speeding up the process of completing the mission. IF, on the other hand, the risk level is sufficiently high, I will stay with the team to lessen the risk of a defeat, mine or someone else's.
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Most animations don't have different animations for a SD character, but some do. For example, Hurl is a one-handed throw for SD Tankers.
Can't come up with other changed animations off the top of my head. -
Here's a slightly different version of the build. It has a bit less Defense, but has added recharge, and higher DPS (I assume). Also higher S/L Resistance which might come in handy at times.
The slotting in Dark Consumption might seem a bit funny, but I couldn't get another 1.13% HP bonus, so skipped slotting 2 pieces of Efficacy Adaptor, neither did I need 5% Movement Speed, so I ended up putting the triple from EA and PS in it.
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As per title, the tank I'd like to work more on at the moment is my SD/DM who is currently at level 50, completely IO'd out, but still feels like he's lacking something. This something is AoE damage, so I decided to try and fit in Pyre Mastery to augment this deficit. The powers I'm thinking of dropping for Char/Fire Blast/Fire Ball are Smite (Fire Blast will do its job), Grant Cover (I hope the drop in Def Debuff resistance won't hurt too much) and Taunt (AAO and Fire Ball/Shield Charge should be enough).
With the build I went a couple of percent higher than the soft cap on each power to avoid the hurt Def Debuffs can do. I did this mostly because my Def Debuff resistance would drop a bit. The original build didn't have OWTS and neither does this because I have never needed it after reaching the soft cap.
I bet there is a lot of space for improvement, for example the lone Resistance IO in True Grit which could be moved somewhere else to fulfill a more important spot. The cost doesn't bother me at all unless we're talking of purple sets, so any improvements within that criterion will be very welcome.
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Dark Melee
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Pyre Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(43), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(43), LkGmblr-Def(46)
Level 1: Shadow Punch -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(37), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(40), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), T'Death-Dam%(43)
Level 2: True Grit -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(3), Numna-Heal/Rchg(3), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(5), ResDam-I(46)
Level 4: Shadow Maul -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(5), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(13), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Oblit-%Dam(15)
Level 6: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(7), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(7), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(11)
Level 8: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I(A), HO:Enzym(9), HO:Enzym(9)
Level 10: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A), Taunt-I(11)
Level 12: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Ksmt-ToHit+(37)
Level 14: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 16: Siphon Life -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(17), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(17), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen(21), Nictus-Heal/HP/Regen/Rchg(21)
Level 18: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(19), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(25), Mrcl-Rcvry+(37)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(23), P'Shift-End%(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(25)
Level 22: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 24: Super Jump -- Winter-ResSlow(A)
Level 26: Shield Charge -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(27), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(27), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(34), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), RechRdx-I(34)
Level 28: Soul Drain -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(29), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(29), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(31), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 30: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 32: Tough -- TtmC'tng-ResDam(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(33), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(33), EndRdx-I(33)
Level 35: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(36), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(36), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(36)
Level 38: Midnight Grasp -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(39), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Mako-Dam%(40)
Level 41: Char -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(42)
Level 44: Fire Blast -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(45), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46)
Level 47: Fire Ball -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dam%(50), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 49: Dark Consumption -- Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(A), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Set Bonus Totals:- 11,5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 11,5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 11,5% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 11,5% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 11,5% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 11,5% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 11,5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 11,5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 6,75% Defense(Smashing)
- 6,75% Defense(Lethal)
- 6,13% Defense(Fire)
- 6,13% Defense(Cold)
- 7,38% Defense(Energy)
- 7,38% Defense(Negative)
- 3% Defense(Psionic)
- 10,5% Defense(Melee)
- 8% Defense(Ranged)
- 9,25% Defense(AoE)
- 2,25% Max End
- 55% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 45% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 5% FlySpeed
- 358,4 HP (19,1%) HitPoints
- 5% JumpHeight
- 5% JumpSpeed
- MezResist(Held) 6,05%
- MezResist(Immobilize) 12,1%
- MezResist(Sleep) 2,2%
- MezResist(Stun) 2,2%
- 5% (0,08 End/sec) Recovery
- 74% (5,79 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 20% ResEffect(FlySpeed)
- 20% ResEffect(RechargeTime)
- 20% ResEffect(RunSpeed)
- 1,58% Resistance(Fire)
- 1,58% Resistance(Cold)
- 6,25% Resistance(Negative)
- 5% RunSpeed
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I don't really see what the problem is with a scrapper running in first. I play my scrapper like that, and every time I play my tank I'm expecting to race to the spawns against scrappers in the team. I don't mind it at all if I have seen the scrapper's performance and know they can survive it. If, however, the scrapper charges first and dies every other spawn I'd tell them to stop. It doesn't bother my tanking ego at all to see a scrapper go in first, I think it's actually fun racing against a scrapper on a tank.
Maybe it might have an effect that I build my scrappers and tankers similarly, both ATs having enough offense to take out a spawn solo and enough defense to keep up fighting for as long as needed. The tanks are a little sturdier while the scrappers generally finish the spawns faster.
On the other hand, if the tanker had specifically pointed out his wish to tank Rommy I can understand his frustration at the situation at hand, but I do also think kicking you without a warning was a bit extreme. -
If you want to tank on villains I'd suggest having a look at the Brute and Mastermind archetypes...
If, on the other hand, you're hellbent on that I would pick a Crab Spider (Soldier). It would be the best at the tanking department I'd guess.
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Better at what?
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I think it's a big mistake skipping the passives. Each of them add 10% Resistance to different types of damage AND some effect resistances, most notable of them being 25% -DEF resistance in RPD. Also skipping the offensive potential of /fire isn't such a good idea. By this I mean skipping Incinerate (WHY?! It's a great attack) and BU.
Myself, I'd go for something like this (switching travel power to CJ/SJ won't change defensive or offensive stats)
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1,401
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Level 50 Mutation Tanker
Primary Power Set: Invulnerability
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Hero Profile:
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Level 1: Temp Invulnerability RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(5), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(7), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(7)
Level 1: Scorch KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5)
Level 2: Dull Pain Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal(11), Dct'dW-Rchg(11)
Level 4: Combustion Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(43), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(46), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46)
Level 6: Resist Physical Damage S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 8: Unyielding RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(13), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(15), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 10: Swift Flight-I(A)
Level 12: Hover Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(13), Winter-ResSlow(46), LkGmblr-Rchg+(48)
Level 14: Fly Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(50)
Level 16: Health Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Heal(17), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(17), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(21), Numna-Heal(23), RgnTis-Regen+(23)
Level 18: Invincibility LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(19), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(19), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(21)
Level 20: Stamina P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(42), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(43), P'Shift-End%(43)
Level 22: Taunt Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(34), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(34), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(34), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(37), Mocking-Rchg(40)
Level 24: Build Up Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(A), Rec'dRet-Pcptn(25), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 26: Tough Hide LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(27), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(27)
Level 28: Fire Sword Circle Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(29), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(31), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31)
Level 30: Kick Empty(A)
Level 32: Tough RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(33), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(33), RctvArm-EndRdx(33)
Level 35: Incinerate KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(36), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(36), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Greater Fire Sword Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(39), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Hectmb-Dam%(40), Zinger-Dam%(40)
Level 41: Weave LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(42), HO:Cyto(42)
Level 44: Conserve Power RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(45)
Level 47: Resist Energies Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(48), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(48)
Level 49: Resist Elements Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(50), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(50)
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Level 1: Brawl Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Set Bonus Totals:
18,6% Defense(Smashing)
18,6% Defense(Lethal)
12,4% Defense(Fire)
12,4% Defense(Cold)
16,1% Defense(Energy)
16,1% Defense(Negative)
3% Defense(Psionic)
10,8% Defense(Melee)
14,3% Defense(Ranged)
7,69% Defense(AoE)
5,4% Max End
4% Enhancement(Heal)
52,5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
24% Enhancement(Accuracy)
5% FlySpeed
253 HP (13,5%) HitPoints
5% JumpHeight
5% JumpSpeed
MezResist(Held) 2,75%
MezResist(Immobilize) 12,1%
MezResist(Terrorized) 2,2%
20% Perception
9% (0,15 End/sec) Recovery
62% (4,85 HP/sec) Regeneration
20% ResEffect(FlySpeed)
20% ResEffect(RechargeTime)
20% ResEffect(RunSpeed)
3,78% Resistance(Fire)
3,78% Resistance(Cold)
15% RunSpeed
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I don't really know. To me adding a piece of punctuation to the end of one's name sort of reminds me of the Runescape'ish SuperWarrior123 type of names. You know, the names that end in a string of numbers because the original was taken...
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Currently sitting at about 200mil and still over half of my stuff has not sold. Didn't really go for extreme profits because I don't have any expensive projects underway.
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Longbow commanders have a leadership type of toggle which grants them confuse resistance. This is why it's hard to stack it enough to affect them.
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Quote:The purples will cost him nearly a billion... per set.Originally Posted by QuiJon
Ok well first if you mainly play blue side i will assume that you dont have a ton of cash sitting around on the red side. You realize the Ragnorok, LOTG, and Apocolypse sets alone are probably going to cost you close to a billion infamy on the red side?
Make a good build, find the most economical means to gain recharge bonuses. The best sets for recharge are not always the best sets for a power. You will need to gain about 72 percent global bonus with hasten 3 slotted recharge to have any chance to keeping domination running, and that is a very very small window of error to click it again in before it drops as in a couple seconds. -
Just out of curiosity, what would be the top MA DPS chain with Eagle's Claw?
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Quote:Enough with the condescension. I have played scrappers and tankers enough to know what their differences are.Originally Posted by Kruunch
Ahhhh a Scrapper in Tanker clothing ... I shoulda known by the sig.
I'd actually say invuln is a Defense based powerset with Resistance added much like shields. The four core powers of invuln don't offer much in the name of resistance to anything else except S/L and even with all of the powers it would be crazy to expect the exotic resistances (E/N/F/C) to take care of more of the damage than the corresponding resistances.Quote:Originally Posted by KruunchFirst of all, Defense sets aren't the best to do extreme stuff for Tankers .. the two toughest sets are both firmly resist based sets with Defense added (Stone and Invuln).
Stone I have no idea of. I have never played it and probably never will because of Granite Armor. Yeah, it has great stats in it but the drawbacks including a generic look are too much.
I don't need you telling me that softcap is easy to achieve. I have four characters playing at the softcap of Defense and I know exactly how easy it is to achieve on some sets. I also know very well how effective Defense softcap is, it removes 95% of the incoming damage. If you do not consider that effective enough you're playing the wrong game because this one doesn't support a real godmode. Defense softcap is only a pseudo-godmode.Quote:Originally Posted by KruunchDefense sets aren't even the best for Scrapper extreme stuff (Invuln taking it here as well).
The reason why people crow about Defense so much is because its what can be reasonably raised by IOs and whose hard cap is much higher then its soft cap which is easily reached by Scrappers and Tankers alike on many sets (which is why you hear about it so much on the Scrapper boards).
Ice Armor doesn't even need a *great* IO build. You can softcap an Ice tank with 22 set IOs with the rest of the build being SOs or whatever you want. This is considering the 2.5% from Combat Jumping.Quote:Originally Posted by KruunchWith regards to Ice Armor, a *great* IO build will do little to help it's survivability past hitting the defense soft cap (easily done) and HPs and regen (neither of which is realistically going to turn a squishy set into a brick) and recharge for HF. The main thing that Ice is lacking is resists and these cannot be appreciably raised by IO sets. Ice by itself is a *very* squishy set in heavy tanking situations (that's for the newbies) ... the random number generator, lack of resists and law of averages will bear this out.
Also you seem to be missing some vital pieces of information. While HP and regen alone don't turn Ice Armour (or pretty much anything else for that matter) into a brick, it's the combination of Defense softcap AND regen AND +HP that does. 92-93% (courtesy of higher level enemies) of attacks directed at you will miss, and often more than that because of the way streakbreaker works and on top of that you have active recovery, higher HP (which translates into resistance. Don't believe me? Ask Arcanaville or any other expert around here and they'll give you the formulas) AND the recovery tools of Ice Armour.
The active recovery here is the important thing. With high regen and high Defense you won't get hit often and you will regenerate a lot of HP before you get hit the next time. It's one of the key features to survival, much like high HP on anything relying on Defense. A big hit gets through? Shouldn't bother you at all if you had some HP.
My Icer for example, is sitting at the softcap (and often over), has 2600 HP and regenerates 37 HP per second. That's nearly always enough to take care of me. And as a tanker you always have the team. Anything in the team will help your tanking: buff/debuff helps you stay alive, damage dealers take down enemies before they get too many blows at you, control keeps the enemy mezzed and unable to deal damage, other tanks can and will share the incoming damage with you.
If you're hellbent that without ANY team support a tank should be able to solo Invincible spawns set for 8 just not to be squishy I don't see why or how anyone could even convince you that 99% of un-IO'd characters in this game aren't squishy. The situations where your tank has to be able to take down a spawn like that don't exist outside AE because to generate such an environment you need a team. And a team doing nothing is just deadweight that harms my gaming experience so I'd kick them/quit anyway. (P.S. my Ice tank is capable of this if the enemies are right which means no excessive +ToHit or Psy damage).
Mitigation heavy secondaries help any defensive primary set. Be it resistance, defense or regeneration as the main survival ability. My Icer is an Ice/SS, and while I recognize the survival perk Foot Stomp gives me I have no problems at all tanking KB resistant foes. None. I treat Foot Stomp as just another damage AoE in my arsenal rather than a survival tool. EDIT: Also it is kind of stupid to say that Icer without a mitigation secondary is squishy because Fire Melee is the only secondary not offering some kind of mitigation. Most of the sets offer area KB/KD, Dark Melee gives you -ToHit and a self heal, DB has a -ToHit combo and KD, Mace has stun and KD, Energy Melee has (even if a bit unreliable against groups) stun, etc. Fire trades all the mitigation for faster takedowns, this translates into shorter fights which, in turn, translates into less incoming damage over a fight./EDITQuote:Originally Posted by KruunchIce Armor when combined with a mitigation heavy secondary (which you may or may not have (didn't catch it)) such as Stone Melee or Ice Melee, can be made to be less squishy, and of course smart tanking will pull you through a long ways as well. However if someone were to ask me "I want a tough tanking set" Ice Armor wouldn't be high on my list, no.
If someone were to ask my about my tank of choice, that would be an Icer for anything except an STF because I know the situation against LR. Insane +ToHit from one of the towers which totally nullifies any protection the Icer can have on their own. Much like I'd never pick a /Regen to try and beat an enemy with insane -Regen and -Heal that would totally nullify the Regen's survival abilities.
The point of my "nerdrage" or whatever you want to call it, is that Ice Armour isn't squishy. Granted it isn't as sturdy as Granite, it is much tougher than Fire Armour and it can outsurvive Shields and even WP or Invuln. I would add to that: a tough tank does not only consist of the right powersets, it also consists of a good build and a player who knows his business; what he can take on while watching TV, what he can't even when popping insps and the situations inbetween. -
Quote:This tells me you clearly have no idea on how to play an ice tank or don't know what you are talking about. I only ever play my ice tank on unyielding or invincible, depending on the team size to get maximum spawns for my AoEs. Maybe your much more extreme level is playing against enemies with high ToHit bonuses like Rularuu? Even Nemesis vengeance can be worked out if your team has any level of teamwork, just save the LTs for the last.Originally Posted by Kruunch
This tells me that you either don't know what you're talking about or you're playing the game at a much less extreme level then I am (like soloing Heroic content).
I never solo my tank because I have characters better suited for that kind of play. My tank excels in teams thanks to his AoE capacity. I really have no idea why you say an ice tank is squishy against normal content (anything without custom enemies). Against custom enemies the case could be anything from invincible to squatted in two seconds. Easy minions only vs extreme AVs only.
I base this on my 50 Icer and all the properly built and played Icers I've ever seen tank. Maybe you're not one of them?Quote:Originally Posted by KruunchI base this on my 50 Icer and all the Icers I've ever seen tank.
I'm not taking it personally. I'm just trying to balance your stubborn arguments of ice being a squishy tank. You do realize, though that new people read these forums and might take anything someone says here for the truth even if it wasn't. Ice Armour is an extremely competent set and it shouldn't be belittled. You could just as well say that SR is garbage because it relies 100% on Defense which isn't even the case with Ice Armour.Quote:Originally Posted by KruunchAnd for future reference, please don't take it personally when I happen to make a comment about a set you may or may not play. I'm not literally pissing in your Cheerios ya know.
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Quote:Been there, done that. As I have stated previously, a properly slotted ice tanker is able to withstand tremendous amounts of punishment if the player is up to the task. All that is needed is a bit of twitch reflexes when you get an unlucky streak of hits. I can keep myself permanently in the 50-60% range for defense with EA up so the -DEF the Cimerorans use isn't a worry.Originally Posted by KruunchTry doing the ITF without skads of Trollers and Defenders
I don't exactly understand why you want to give ice armour such a bad reputation. Even though your ice tank might be squishy it doesn't mean everyone else's is. Slotting, expectations of what your tank can take and adapting to different situations differ from person to person. What one person might think very easy to adapt to (situations needing twitch reflexes for example) might be very hard for someone and this could be the very thing harming your experience as an ice tank. I don't have any problems whatsoever to click hibernate/hoarfrost if things go south. I have over 2.5k HP and it's very rare to get so many successive blows that it would all go before I react.
No. As I said, if you even get the passive accolades (which aren't hard at all to get, I might add) you'll have around 2200 HP. Add to that Chilling Embrace's -DMG and it will require some really bad luck to get downed by an alpha. So bad, in fact, that it has never happened to me. Never. It's not about a law of getting hit, it's about a law of getting hit and not reacting to it. If you get hit use Hoarfrost, Hibernate or a green inspirations. An ice tank has numerous tools for staying alive and it's your choice to use or not to use them.Quote:Originally Posted by KruunchAnd I can say from personal experience that unless you're in a team with a TON of support (so much so that a Tanker is optional) that your Icer (and by proxy your team) will face plant time and again in a full spawn L54 boss farm. It's just law of averages between getting hit and having little to no resists.
Hibernate works every two minutes. This should be way more than enough if you're at the softcap. My scrapper who is at the softcap needs to use Aid Self maybe once every couple of minutes when soloing an AV. My invuln scrapper only had Dull Pain to depend on when I soloed 3 AVs simultaneously and he isn't even soft capped. Still, the heal every 140 seconds was more than enough.Quote:Originally Posted by KruunchIce's heal is a slow recharge and Hibernate only works so often (and often will get the group killed if not used by a heads up Icer). While better tools then Shield might have for survival (and I do agree that Ice is more survivable then Shield in a vacuum), they can be insufficient in today's popular content.
On top of Hibernate you have Hoarfrost, too. I just can't see where ice armour is missing recovery tools. You could basically cycle those two and have a recovery tool available every one minute. If you absolutely need them more often you should do something to your tactics. Maybe herd only one group of AVs instead of two?
Also your argument about aggro dropping while using Hibernate is pretty much pointless. Take Taunt, throw in 1-3 Taunt Enhancers and the taunt duration is way over 20 seconds. Slot a Heal IO or two in Hibernate and you won't need to keep it on longer than 10-15 seconds anyway. This is how I do it if I have to and it has worked every time I've tried it since i11. -
Quote:Sometimes I'm just not sure about everything I post. I know my English is good, but some areas require a bit more concentrating to be clear. Mostly these are specific areas like maths, architecture etc. of which I haven't got too much experience talking about in English.Originally Posted by SarrateBtw, your post made perfect sense, so you have nothing to be self conscious about. (I envy those who can speak two languages.)
Also I technically speak 5 languages, two of them very good, 1 moderately and two.. well, not brilliant but I can manage. So, things tend to get mixed up
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Quote:Just to nitpick, this is the case with all except for one damage aura: Quills.Originally Posted by BillZBubba
It doesn't appear that the damage auras crit either.
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Quote:I second this. Also the -DMG from Chilling Embrace basically gives you melee resistance as I said earlier. Melee Resistance might not be the best term, but it debuffs the damage of all opponents in melee range, thus effectively granting melee resistance. It also ticks every .5 seconds interrupting any interruptable attacks your enemies have.Originally Posted by Fury_Flechette
Did you take Chilling Embrace? I think that's a vital component for any ice tanker's defense. I think it's as important as your primary shields. The slows to incoming attack and critter movement is noticeable even with just a default end redx slotted.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't that work out to 7.5%? The equation being (5% * [1 + 0.2 + 0.3]) = 5% * 1.5 = 7.5% with the multipliers both being accuracy and thus adding to rather than multiplying each other. Also sorry if my question didn't make any sense because I'm not really familiar with mathematical terms in English...Quote:Originally Posted by SarrateSo a +2 boss would have a 7.8% (5 * 1.2 * 1.3) chance to hit against a softcapped player.