CryoTech

Originally Posted by DaveMebs

Actually only a small part of IH's healing is enhanceable so it's not really worth the healing slots. I usually slot it with 3 striaght recharge IOs. Also, Hecatomb is better in GC since it is used twice as often as SD.

Originally Posted by Sarrate

The Regen Tissue proc (as well as the Numina / Miracle procs) will pretty much always be active in PvP if they're slotted in a passive or toggle. Every 10s when either are active (toggle/passive) the proc refreshes the duration to 120s.

While purely defensive toggles like Integration suppress when held, the only way for it to cause the proc to fall off is to be held for two minutes straight (the proc duration). Otherwise, even a split second of activity would allow a tick through to reset the duration to 120s. Considering there is hold/cc suppression this is impossible.

I'd place it in the power that has the highest heal enhancement, since that enhances the proc's +regen value.

Originally Posted by Myriad

I don't see the advantage of putting the procs into Integration instead of FH.

However, I would swap the Reg.Tissue IOs in Health for Miracle:Heal and a Miracle:Heal/*
This would increase your regen rate, your recovery rate and your max hit points.

Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn

Stand Fast

Like Domination or Fury, this becomes a new inherent for Tankers that increases the more that the Tanker attacks or gets attacked (probably will raise and lower more along the speed of Domination though, instead of Fury). When activated, this increases the Tankers protection and resistance against Mez effects (useful in certain situations), and also increases their Regen and Recovery.


Now, why Regen and Recovery? Well, Regen helps both Def-based and Resistance-based sets relatively equally, in my eyes. It might help Resistance-based sets a little more, since they tend to give the Tanker more time to heal, but with Defense, you should have more time to heal between each hit. Recovery, because Tanker DPE is pretty bad, so this could help there. There are a few scenarios out there where Mez effects can break through even the Tanker mez protection powers (Ghost Widow, going up against a lot of stunning foes, etc.), so putting a moderate increase to the Tanker for Mez protection and resistance could help out as well.

Originally Posted by ConFlict

pvpo bonuses are always on regardless of enhancement level/class level.

Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan

An anecdote for the pro-PvPers (including the OP) reading to consider (Note that this in by far NOT the only time I've encountered something like this. just keeping it to one for brevity's sake (HA!) ):

A few months ago, I gathered up three of my mostly RP PvE friends to take some of our characters into the Pocket D arena. At the time, we all were PvP novices. When it was just the four of us, going at it cluelessly, using the buff period in matches to broadcast in character quips, we had a blast.

About 30 minutes later, a PvP vet asked us if he could join our fun. Via tells, I made it VERY clear we were all newbs, were playing somewhat in character and were just messing around for fun. The response was something along the lines of "that's cool. I can live with that." Soon after, before the first match even starts, this person then says in team chat, "Hey a good friend of mine just logged on! Mind if he joins? More the merrier!" Being good natured RPing PvErs, we all say sure.

After one quick five minute free for all, the two quickly say "Hey how about we try you four against us two?" They then proceeded to farm us for kills for about 10-15 minutes. At several junctures, we suggested reformation of teams, 3 v 3 separating those two. No avail. Soon after, we all quit in frustration. After that I was hit with about a dozen tells from both the PvP vets with advice on how to pick apart and rebuild my character to be a GOOD PvP build. When I replied saying I wasn't interested I was then told I can either stay clueless or I can learn to PvP the right way if I wanted to have fun.

Since then, NONE of these other folks have shown ANY interest in PvP, even in our closed session between friends.

So what is the takeaway here?


If the PvP community TRULY wants to enroll more of the player base in PvP they REALLY need to learn a serious degree of sportsmanship. What does this mean?

• Show some restraint. No matter how tempting it is for recipe rolls, NEVER repeatedly trounce newbs. When you play checkers with your five year old niece/nephew, you don't beat them 8 times over and then lecture them that you are doing this for their own good so they will someday learn the lifesaving mad skillz of competitive checkering. Same goes for PvP. It's just not THAT important to most of us and insisting that it be so only makes hardcore PvPers look out of touch as they suck the fun out of the situation.
• Keep the smugness and smack talk in check. Just look at all the posts already in this thread that say that the "broadcast PvP" is one of the main reasons people avoid PvP. In many sports, if you say anything near what is commonly said in broadcast, you get a warning, quickly followed by penalties, and in most pro- and recreational situations--suspensions. WHY should PvP be any different? Just because SOME people say they have skin thick enough for that sort of verbal abuse should ANYONE who is mildly interested in the activity have to tolerate it? Until any in game PvP community learns to police it's own, this will remain a huge hurdle to wider appeal.
• Split up the stars. So two vets could trounce four newbs. So what? Why were they so resistant to being split up? Because they KNOW each other's strategies so well? Because they are afraid of losing? Because they were in the same room or on vent together? Because being vets they knew that their Dom and Scrapper were a good combo for an uber PvP duo? I dunno really. But this was NOT the first time I've encountered such resistance from PvP vets being split up from their Uberness. In other PvP situations--sports again--folks are readily willing to split up and even out teams to keep everyone involved at the local ball court. Tell me why are veteran PvPers so afraid of leveling playing fields?
• Which brings me to the next thing: Cool the competitiveness. Losing ALL THE TIME isn't cool. Winning ALL THE TIME isn't cool. Not everyone plays to win. In PvP and in many other arenas in life. If you aren't in a hardcore session with hardcore players, recognize that others may simply be there for the "fun factor" and that doesn't always mean fighting the toughest nail biting battles.
• Please keep in mind many of us will not go and rebuild our characters simply so they PvP better. With that in mind, be willing to hold back, play on a non PvP build, etc etc. And be a bit more reserved with the unsolicited advice that may make you feel like an expert regarding builds and strategies. Ever been in an athletic situation, from ballroom dance to ultimate frisbee to touch football, where one person just HAS TO coach everyone else that isn't as good as them? When you guys lecture people via tells, you come off as one of those jerks. Those lessons tend to just embarrass and alienate newcomers. So unless there is a request for advice or a structured lesson, show some reserve on the tips. It's one thing if you are on the same team and showing leadership--but singling out via tells advising rebuilds, enhancements, etc. is a bit much.

Frankly, from the PvP I've experienced in this game, I don't think a majority of PvPers are really interested in PvPing casually with a wider group of people. I get the impression (wrong or right) that those that remain are very hardcore about PvP and have a hard time fathoming what someone else might get out of PvP other than their hardcore perspective on the aspect of the game. If members of the PvP community truly wanted to schedule and structure something akin to casual "rec league PvP" and could keep it casual, you may find a small at first but potentially growing audience. Who knows, maybe a few folks from such a league would find they do have a taste for hardcore and make the transition to the higher competition that regular PvPers enjoy. BUT if you start such a rec league, you should NEVER expect to move the entire league to the pros. Again, just like in sports, for many people, their interests will never extend beyond the casual engagement of the activity. It's not just because most people can't. It's because they are not interested in dedicating that much of their life to the activity. And to treat them as though they should will only further turn people off. Sportswise, it means they take their ball and play elsewhere. PvPwise it means moving on to another game or simply going back to PvE as my friends all did after that night.

Anyways, to the OP good luck with your efforts. And commendations braving the not-so PvP friendly waters of the general forum.

Originally Posted by EmperorSteele

... You have the stupidest looking character avatar I've ever seen, and you're ripping on the ninja run animation?

The pot and kettle just facepalmed, dude.

Originally Posted by Ironblade

Originally Posted by Mafia

No No keep answering questions your in the right in my opinion. Ironblade should not have said that. Sounded really bad on his part. Thanks for the help btw.