CriticalKat

The match rules are the only ones that can potentially be automatic DQ's. The rest of the "formats" would require a Captain to make a motion and the other 5 Captains to vote in aggreement to a punishment for breaking said "format".

Have a Captain make a motion and send it to me ingame or here on the forums and I will play mule to the other Captains to get votes I suppose.

Sorry missed this thread earlier, just got here so let me do some reading and I will brb.

lolwut?

I have no problem debating reasonable debates all day long. You are not in the league, you were not at the draft. The players in question are capable of following the rules to get off of the teams they are on if they want to. You keep coming back with untruths and to be quite blunt things that have absolutely nothing to do with you. Rick voted. Miss showed up for the draft and eventhough she didnt get who she wanted she could have gotten others to play if you guys were so short. She didn't.

Have Rick make a motion to make Silit official "Deuche bag of the league". I am quite sure even Silit will vote yes for the lulz of it. That is about all that can be done about the problem as of now.

Next draft I guess we need to get everyones RL SS# & Drivers Licences to solve the problem being apparenly several globals were changed or concealed for the sake of competition.

Assuming you are Jimmay then you were not at the 2nd draft either or you would know that was BS. Me and Divine both kept picking 2 more rounds after Miss stopped picking and neither of us picked lvl 42 stalkers. Miss could have beat both of us to our last 2 picks that were lvl 50 viable toons. She didn't. She stopped picking. Her choice just like it was every other Captains choice to stop picking when they had enough.

Ok I understand being aggrivated and I understand thinking you were screwed. I do not understand telling BALD FACED LIES to make you right. Yes your first choice was taken before you got a pick. For that matter your second choice was taken before you got to pick. Had you gotten to pick first you would have only gotten one of them anyways. EVERY SINGLE LATE PERSON THAT SIGNED UP WAS AN OPTION AND EVERY ONE WAS TOLD THEY COULD TAKE AS MANY AS THEY WANTED. If you were so short handed in D6 players you should have taken more than you did.

Your D6 team is so short handed and doing so bad? Then explain why you won all 3 of your D6 matches? Mine and Silits team lost, and not by a little bit. Number of bodies doesn't necessarily mean need or lack of need. My roster is bigger because half of them said they were interested but have yet to show up for a practice.

You are right I let them rig it along with 5 OTHER CAPTAINS INCLUDING RICK THAT VOTED FOR IT TO BE A DRAFT AND A RANDOM PICKED DRAFT.
As far as my team voting not to trade Keenon, what is your point on that? It was a unanimous vote. Half of the people you offered Rick even admitted himself had not really been showing up. We didn't keep Keenon because he is good, we kept him because we didn't want one more person that just wasn't going to show up and then pop up at a match flying around with 1k hP. Had I not picked Keenon I would have only picked the other 3 I picked because we didn't need any more no shows or people that needed so much work with builds/skill that we would have been shooting ourselves in our own foot by taking.

Keenon and Fates both have the option to get off the teams they are on. They are both fully aware of that. At this point bitter is just coming across as bitter and the 2 people this is concerning don't seem to be the issue any more.

As far as me defending Silit and Peril. Not true. I am defending Peril because he has shown that he makes the decisions that are right all the time regardless of this own team ******** and giving him crap for it. Silit is another story. I told you the same thing I told him the other day on vent, I think he may have quite possibly did it to be a deuche. He said he didn't. Doesn't matter because if he did he was within the rules to pick whoever he wanted to.

The irony of this is that Silit went around to all of the teams including BOB and got votes on how do the pick order. Silit was trying to get the pick order to be to be "needs most picks first". That would have had mine and Silit's team picking first. BOB voted against that and voted for random pick order.2

Peril wanted to do the draft as him just assigning the people to teams. I know for a fact it was his intentions from day one. I am the one who had a **** fit and told him no. I did so based on Captains. Including a conversation I held with Rick on vent that same day. When the subject came up Rick never said no let Peril divide them up because he is giving me certain people. He said "I agree" when I said it didn't look right for a team member to be handing out members to other teams.

Silit has already admitted he did it, how he found out about it and why he did it. Perhaps he is full of **** and really did it to be a deuche. No one knows this but him for sure. However going on and on about what Peril promised when your Captain if no one else was aware that it was Captains choice to change how the draft went and it was Captains votes that changed how the pick order was going to be is sort of crazy. To say your team showed up to the draft not knowing that is how it was going to be is a false statement because I was the one who talked to Rick myself.

Also to say that you guys don't have any one to offer as trade is false because Rick just offered me 5 different people for Keenon. Were they suitable trade offers? No. However that does show there are people to trade indeed.

If Fates really doesn't want to play for Silits team there are rules in place that he can follow to solve the problem. It is his choice and responsibility to do it, not BOB's. I will be more than happy to be the PVPEC person to handle those trade negotiations to make sure it is fair and that you guys don't even have to deal with each other. Until Fates makes that decision though all of the arguing is basically just bringing down the spirit of people that just want to have fun and pvp.

This. I am sooo hoping that we are able to soon.

Ok let me reword it because yes the way I worded it makes it a false statement.

Participation is on a bigger scale. There are 2 fight nights a week. 6 Rosters of d8's (basically like ladder teams) that are actually active people and not 30 people on a roster but only 8 ever show up. Fights happening weekly rather than once or twice a month. All teams participating all the time. I can remember spans of time on test where a month or 2 went by that no teams faught. I don't know about back before I6, maybe it was way more active.

Plus 6 D6 teams (Tvplp, but neither season had nearly as many signups) that are fighting weekly.

Not trying to make it out to be some huge extravaganza was just stating that comparing it to past individual leagues or even the ladder was not a fair comparison.

The drama was about Peril being on a team and handling the draft. There was an accusation that some things happened and that he was guilty of doing things to favor his team. He is in charge of the draft because we had no other neutral PVPEC rep to do it. We will indeed handle the draft differently in the future so there is no risk of fairness being questioned. He is not a Captain. I am. Silit is. Neither of us Captains have any power beyond what was already mentioned. A vote like every other Captain has. Regardless of opinions we don't just do this for nothing. We do it because we love to pvp. PVPEC rules are that any rep can participate in our events. NCsoft supports that. Our responsibility is to make sure that our participation doesn't conflict with fairness. The draft episode happened, we will learn from our mistakes. It is however not going to change the fact that we can and will continue to participate in any and all events in whatever capacity that we want.

Yes it is. Basically the participation numbers are the old test ladder and the Tpvpl all wrapped up in one big event. Ty for the kudos, we were not looking for them though, just here to have fun.

No way! I swear!

Seriously though we need you there to practice our super sekrit lineups!

There has been no conflict about me being a captain and PVPEC Leader. You were the first to mention it, and the one continuing to mention it. There has been no question to my integrity or me having influence in regards to rules etc.

You may have ran leagues before but not something like this. IF you think its simple then hop in and get your feet wet. Comparing a league that was for one server to a league that drew 90% of the pvpr's to it from across all 11 servers is a bit off. I have not had a moments peace to play this game with out some questions / drama /vote needing to be taken since the first day it was posted. Me, Peril and Silit. I am not crying a river about it because I do it for the benefit of everyone to have a good time. However you discounting the time and effort like its nothing is a bit wack. In fact your need to continue on and on about an event you are not even participating in is a bit wack too. Free country, do what you do best.

I don't collect the lineups for my teams matches, of course you wouldn't know that because you are not a participant. I can't change rules. I don't handle the draft. All of your points have no points. All being an event leader means is we do all the grunt work. Maintaining communication between teams that can't get along. Making sure the rules are followed. Handling motions for rule changes etc. We don't actually make any decisions we just do all the dirty run between waitress/bag boy/chauffer type bull crap that needs to be done. Being you don't think we should be doing this dirty grunt work you are more than free to join the PVPEC and be a neutral party and do it. Let me guess you don't care to be an actual solution to this fiasco that you claim is a problem?

That is niether here nor there. You think I shouldn't be a Captain and event Leader. So noted. Your thought process isn't changing anything. Moving on.

TY Philly! <3

Next draft will indeed be handled differently. Most thought I was joking but I think we really and seriously will assign a number to each team and then stand under the Atlas Statue and we will /e dice. That way everyone can see for themselves the pick order and there will be no drama. Plus we get the opportunity to get our RP on!

Our original intentions was to have a PVPEC rep that was not participating to handle lineups/draft pics etc so there would never be any questions about integrity. Sadly though, none that are not participating have stepped up to do it, are availble enough to do it etc. It is what it is. I don't think that there is an impartial person besides a Mod. Everyone has friends and friends of friends and it is a proven fact that when people don't get their way they will always claim foul play. So we just have to do a method where there is no doubt and then that problem is solved.

I think now I am going to start an ingame gambling ring and take bets on who wins this in the end. I have heard several teams saying it will be them or not be them and I think we are going to be pleasantly surprised.

There does not have to be a certain number of teams. Any number of teams can sign up. New teams were not formed for 2 reasons. First reason is that we had to have a deadline for teams signing up. Obviously a team that signed up after the other teams had been practicing for so long would be at a huge disadvantage. The other reason is to have another team requires a Captain volunteering to start it and run it. We barely managed to get the teams started that are here now, no one else showed any interest in running any.

That is exactly what this event was. I don't know how you keep missing the point that the original draft, everyone had to be added. The late signups were very well aware that they were late and that they may or may not get to be chosen to participate. Perhaps you should go check that thread out.

Not one time has anyone blamed the captains for jack. What I am saying is that if they have a problem with something any and all of them are allowed and able to make a motion for it to be changed. No one did, no one does so not sure why people who are not Captains are not going to their Captains and asking them to make these motions for rule changes if they are so important.

Let me give you a little bit of history since you have been gone a while. A Freedom League sat on the PVPEC boards for almost an entire year. A completed event ready to be posted. We held off for various reasons. One of those reasons is that every time we got ready to post it someone was on this very section of the boards "talking" about starting up the Ladder, League or some other sort of organized event. It NEVER got off the ground. Tons of people who are capable of doing it, didn't. Tons of people besides the PVPEC could have done it. They didn't.

Silit and Sneaky were attempting to do it on their own and for various reasons needed/wanted the PVPEC to run it. So here we are now. Months later of hard work and daily BS and aggrivation. None of us are looking for pats on the back. We just want a fun event and to pvp and rebuild pvp in this game. We would also appreciate a little slack. Yes we have made mistakes and will learn from them. However to be quite blunt to put up with all the ******** from people that could run this crap themselves in the first place is a bit tedious. To be told that I shouldn't be Captain when I have invested a gazillion hours in to this is a direct slap in the face. I cannot possibly in any way change or add any rules without, FIVE, count them FIVE other team Captains in aggreement. Peril doesn't even have a vote. I don't know how much more clear things can be.

Are you willing to join the PVPEC and run things because if not this is a moot point.

You are entitled to your opinion. I am not stepping down from either and Captains opinions are the only relevant ones anyways. Furthermore who the hell thinks its fair for us to do all these months of work and not get to particpate in whatever capacity we want to? On a side note Peril is not a Captain of a team and he is the one this drama has to do with so these points are not relevant to the topic.

If any of you complaining about the PVPEC being Captains would like to step up and join the PVPEC to help then I might consider changing who is running things. Until then we have no one else active enough that wants to. Really the PVPEC ***** fest is getting old. NOT ONE SINGLE ONE OF YOU EVEN REMOTELY ATTEMPT TO DO ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE IN REGARDS TO GETTING PVP EVENTS SUCH AS THIS OFF THE GROUND. The fact that you have the nerve to ***** and complain and have done nothing productive to make crap happen for the community looks way worse than me or peril being allowed to Captain teams if we want to.

That isn't exactly a fair question to play the devil's advocate here. First of all from what I understand the player in question is more than willing to play for Silit's team. Even if they were not taking a player that you know another team wants that has a very good skill level is a tactical and very legal move. Is it a dick move? Perhaps. That is irrelevant though.

Regardless of what Perils intentions were, it was not allowed. A draft happened. Players who signed up did so knowing what the rules are. This is kind of like a car salesman saying "I give you a 3 year warranty" and you purchase the car and the written contract says "no warranty" that you signed. Both sides have to take some responsibility in this. Peril already admitted he did intend on assigning characters but Captains did not allow it. Take your responsibility in the deal gone bad and lets move on.

Sorry I am not generous enough to donate all this ******* time and aggrivation and not get to participate in pvp. There are no other PVPEC reps to have created this or to run this. News flash we do this to not only help promote pvp but to actually have some to PARTICIPATE in. You are not a team captain. If your team captain would like a rules change then they are free to make a motion for one. Until then opinions are exactly that.

As far as the draft, valid points. We made a decision that we thought it was fair to atleast let a few more play on the teams that had room or needed more. I guess we could have been consistantly tough on all the teams that needed help and said tough titty and just not give a few more the opportunity to participate. Again a moot point because its done now and if any Captain wanted it to not be done that way they could have spoken up.

Perhaps. Six teams and six captains have the right to make any motion they want. If any of them want to, they will. Only takes all 6 to be in aggreement to change things.

As far as the draft, already done and apparently the 6 team captains didn't feel that way or one would have asked for it to be done differently.

Wrong. The draft was closed. We decided and posted that some additional late signups "might" be allowed on whatever teams needed them. We were doing the teams and late signups a favor by possibly giving them the opportunity to have a chance to participate in something they were already too late to sign up for. The actual event and draft was open to absolutely everyone. It is no ones fault but their own for not signing up on time.

Sadly some people that wanted to participate won't get to. We can't very well leave the draft open forever so it is what it is. We also cannot make team captains pick players in a draft that was an additional draft. In the original draft EVERYONE was picked whether team captains wanted them or not.

Perhaps valid. 2 problems with that though. First of all neither of us were associated with the League when the rules were made. They were made before any teams signed up. Second of all it takes a Captain vote from each of the 6 (SIX) teams, and all 6 must be in agreement for a vote change to happen. There have been no random edits or making of votes since they were posted in their original form, so not sure where you got that from.

We stand a chance at winning the first round now! Woot!

You are wrong, but that is nothing new. "Kat" is not willing to break rules she helped create or that she is supposed to be enforcing as a PVPEC Chair and risk a DQ for her team for you or any other ******** that thinks she should. "Kat" is more than happy to vote with a reasonable attendance/participation requirement.