CriticalKat

Your need to constantly put down your teammates is amazing. Good thing being a team player has absolutely nothing to do with team pvp.

They trow fire like tree with big roots.

Offering to be nice to the under dog doesn't change the fact that most teams and most matches are 6 psi/em's and 2 emps.

I don't think the size of the teams is going to necessarily change that fact. The only thing that would change it is limiting to 2 each AT. Limitations are dumb.

lol.

No ruffles. Was just passing on information I thought you already knew being a PERC rep. :-)

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Not sure why you said that but anyone can get NCSoft prize support it just takes putting the effort forward to do it. Send Mod8 a p.m. with a link to the event thread and a specific list of prizes/titles wanted. If he doesn't answer, send it again. The only benefit the PVPEC or PERC has over the average gamer is more points of contact to be able to get a hold of them quicker/easier and that they seem to recognize our names so we don't get lost in the paper shuffle as easily. Other than that prize requests are prize requests.

Stating my opinion means I am not willing to reach a compromise? I read your point, I just didn't agree that it was the best way. However I don't want to form any event that people are not going to want to participate in. If more people want 8v8 as the default then that would be the way to go.

Eventhough I can see your point I just think that forcing 5v5 or 6v6 would happen a lot less often than a team trying to force an 8v8 on a team that doesnt have enough people show up. Especially being there are no ties in best 2 out of 3. That being said the forfeit's having no merit in ranking is a great idea I didn't think of.

However dUmb looks to have the intentions of forming up some kind of 8v8 League, would be sort of retarded to have 2 of the same thing running at the same time. So if there isn't more interest in a smaller mini-league then no biggie.

The probability of a team having enough to play 8v8 and refusing to do so would benefit them how? It wouldn't. There is no dooshbag card to be played there really. However a team having 8 and the other team only having 5 can and will definitely be a doosh and refuse to scale down to 5v5.

I understand the preference of 8v8's. If the option is there I think every team will play 8v8's. There is no reason for them not to if they have enough people show up. However to build a ladder with requirements of 8v8 and giving a team the ability to force another team who doesn't have enough people to fight shorthanded or forfeit is a recipe for drama and unhappiness. With only a 10 man roster I think it is quite possible for teams to not have 8 quite often. I don't think we have enough of a pvp community yet to run a ladder or league with 15-20 person rosters. Everyone will be on 3-5 teams and the majority of the D6 guys we just introduced to pvp will be left out in the cold. So essentially the whole reasoning behind the league would be lost. 3-5 teams only fighting each other over and over and only the elite make it on a teams because there are not enough teams to hold everyone.

By doing that you factor in the doosh bag feasibility. So team A only has 5 people and team B has 8 people and refuses to do 5v5 and forces them to either forfeit or play short.

Currently D8 teams have 12 on a roster. This ladder will only allow 10 on a roster. Currently on many d8 fights you see teams having to play D6's whether they want to or not because not enough showed up. With this ladder each team is allowed 2 less people so the probability of not having 8 show up is even greater.

Maybe the problem is the word bias. "to cause partiality or favoritism in (a person); influence, esp. unfairly: a tearful plea designed to bias the jury. "

Perhaps you use some other definition of bias. There has been no favortism. In order for there to be favortism or influence I would actually have to have some control over something. Or the PVPEC would have to be in control of something. Every thing that you have questioned or had problems with the past few weeks has been explained to you over and over again. Yet you steadily bring up me, the PVPEC and the word bias.

Perhaps by bias you mean that my wants/wishes as far as this league and my team are concerned are somehow being given special treatment by the other captains? Somehow they are allowing me to do unfair things or break the rules?

Maybe I am having a slow moment. I keep trying to figure out how I can show favortism or influence in regards to things I have absolutely no control over....

P.s. Me saying that I am the person you contact in regards to problems with PVPEC reps does not equate me saying I am the only active member or the only person with any say.

Ok please explain to me what any of that has to do with me? How did I take what you said on vent? How do you assume that one of my team members writing a story that directly had to do with him as me having any part in it? Or the PVPEC? How is all of this related? It isn't. You and Masque had problems. He wrote a story explaining to his team his side or thoughts on why you seemed so bitter towards me and our team. Rei posted it. What does any of that have to do with me?

No. That just got posted on our website this week. No one on the team besides me, Masque and Bitter knew about you. Well actually a few original members knew because they were on vent during the conversation but it wasn't dawning on any of them that you were that same guy from back then. Question came up on vent "Why is this dude JohnnyKat seem so bitter towards CK/our team?" This story was Masque's answer to that question. To be quite honest I tend to agree with him on some parts because most of what you say makes no sense. It seems like you post with an agenda. Either way it was his story, on our private forums and had absolutely nothing to do with me or the PVPEC.

UMM no. I let the subject go as well. It wasn't until your post, once again slinging the PVPEC in to the subject that I had to say something. So am I understanding that by bias you mean because you quit my team because you and Masque had previous drama on another server that I somehow had shown bias against not only you but your teams? REally?

There is no bias hun. You basically just have a problem with me, the PVPEC, my team or anyone else that doesn't agree with you or do things how you feel they should be done. In case you haven't noticed hardly anyone likes me in this league and if I did something to be bias those 4 other Captains would do something about it. No one is agreeing with you and no one is doing anything about anything because there is no bias or anthing that needs to be done. Accept it and move on. Just do me one favor and put the blame where it actually belongs. On yourself, or individual members of my team, or even on me. None of it has crap to do with the PVPEC though.

Masque hasn't been a pvpec rep in forever. I also can assure you he probably is not a happy camper that this got posted on the blue boards. Silit isn't a PVPEC rep and hasn't been for a while. Me and Peril are the only PVPEC reps that have had any bearing on this league. Neither of us have done anything to you. Please get over your PVPEC grudge.

Will be 5v5 by default. If both teams happen to have 6-8 on and happen to agree to play more than hooray for them. If not its default 5v5.

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This.

WTF is up with you and the PVPEC dude? Now the PVPEC is responsible for Rei being a troll and posting crap from our GP site too? Do you think if you say PVPEC enough times that some how it will add some validity to your retarded way of thinking?

I have a suggestion. How about you take some of the effort you apply in to putting down the PVPEC and do something productive with it? Like volunteer your free time to host events for morons that don't appreciate it and just rage against you all the time?

/agreed

Had your team not quit it wouldn't have been an ex post facto. I was trying to resolve the problems even after you guys quit. I suppose that is my fault too.

Not sure why you think using a feature of the game we all pay for "hide"
is some how wrong. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Which of your questions did I avoid? I did a very tldr post explaining why the rules were written that way and why things happened the way they did. I also talked to you on vent yesterday. Honestly not to be insulting but I feel like I am typing English but you are reading it in Chinese or something.

I guess I will do another Tldr post for you and hope you can get it.

Constant threat of Dq issue- it was Divine who stated in arena chat for everyone to see that our time was up and we had 5 minutes. I responded that we were taking our 5 minute leeway. Which we did. The threat of dq came from your team captain, not me.

Last match lineup issue-- It was a copy and paste problem. Somehow the "P" on emp didn't make it in the posted lineup. You guys made some huge ordeal out of it. Your perogattive. Did you ask your Captain why he went ahead and approved the lineup correction if he felt like he had us in "forfeit" status? I will tell you why. Because he was at the same Captains meeting where we ALL agreed to not be JERKS about simple typo lineup mistakes. ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO EMPATHS. He knew he didn't stand a chance in hell of getting the majority of Captains to support a forfeit call over one letter. For crying out loud the "P" was missing in emp.

You are the person who sat on these forums and typed multiple tldr posts last week that our rules should allow for flexibility for mistakes. Then you turn around the week after that and have a cow over the letter "P"?

-- As for the reset in the first match. Common sense should have told you that if I didn't answer you or if my team wasn't answering your questions properly to play the freaking match, screenshot whatever proof you thought you had and then call for a dq. Instead a couple minutes in to the match you say "reset" over and over in broadcast and offered absolutely NO EXPLANATION OF WHY. Somehow I am at fault for not resetting just because you asked for it?

So the short version is my team broke no rules. Your Captain knows that. The same thing my team did in the first match is the same thing several teams have done and the rules allow for it. Sorry if the rules do not fit what you want. They are not designed to make you happy. They are designed to fit the needs of the League overall in every situation. If they don't do that we have 6 Captains that vote on any and everything that needs to be voted on. Have your Captain make a motion and they will vote.

Now I worked my butt off and went through a lot of crap to get our rules changed last week to be a little more fair and concise for everyone. I personally seeked out votes to make it where the PVPEC no longer has control or decision making ability in regards to rules violations. I posted as much. Every Captain knows as much. Why you still feel the need to try to play the "favortism" card is beyond me.

Also why you have a problem with me posting king tree frog pics to congratulate Barrier on his win of the personal challenge that your Captain put out there is beyond me. You do realize the whole tree frog thing came as an attempt of an insult from your Captain? As far as the twinky thing that is your team with that BS not me or mine. As far as the whale thing take that crap up with Barrier, I don't have control over him nor am I responsible for his posts.

You seem to have some huge beef when it comes to the PVPEC in this league. Perhaps if you took some of the effort you put in to griping about the PVPEC all the time in to actually reading the rules you would see that they are written and enforced in such a way that PVPEC reps can't get special treatment. There are exactly 2 teams with PVPEC reps on them. I don't care how hard we try 2 does not equal majority when it comes to a vote. Peril doesn't even get a vote. I am the only person in this league that is a PVPEC rep that gets a vote. 1 vote makes it pretty impossible to get favortism.

A reset would not be the appropriate action to have taken anyways. If you thought we broke the rules then you ask for a forfeit afterwards. Typing "reset" in broadcast after time was up for a valid reset without any offer of why you were requesting the reset isn't going to get you a positive response. Also your team is the one who hosted that match and Rick had the star and shouldn't have clicked to start it until you got the clarification you needed. Or else started it, played it, then call for a forfeit.

Btw if you were to crash as you were loading in to the arena and not able to get back on wouldn't you appreciate some leeway in the rules so your team doesn't have to fight short a man?

Common sense is that these rules are not something we just threw together quickly and didn't give any thought to. If the rule is not there or if it is not stated specifically there is a reason. Lets discuss the reasons.

1. "All matches will take place in Pocket D, Freedom Server."

First of all my guys were in Pocket D. They were on hide which is their perrogative to do so. Secondly it doesn't say specifically that all players must be in Pocket D. The only reason that statement is even in there is because it was copied from an old set of rules from back when villains and heros were bugged from entering a match unless they were in the same zone. Last but definitely not least we just had a Captains meeting this week and discussed this exact rule and every captain including your own agreed we did not want to change it to be every person must be in Pocket D for several reasons. The main reason was due to the lag and people with bad connections. Your Captain should have told you this but apparently he didn't or this wouldn't have been an issue to begin with.

2.

"Each team is allowed one reset within 60 seconds of round start if a player did not load into the round, disconnected or loaded in off-team. Teams will play man down if required after their reset is spent. If a round is reset, the line-ups submitted for that round are to be played again with no alterations on the same map." AND "Only one player's account may be in a match at any given time."

It is written that way for several reasons. Number one is because 90% of the crashes that happen in the arena happen while zoning in to the arena. We allowed for switchouts with same AT during first 60 seconds intentionally. Calling it a loophole isn't fair because it was intentional. Second of all we didn't even call for the reset to switch someone out. Eventhough that person was lagging like crazy we were going to go ahead and fight it out. However Divine set the match for 20 minutes and being the rule is intentionally written to allow for a switchout in the first minute we took that opportunity to do so. The other reason its written that way is because to enforce it we would need proof. Do you have screenshots showing another player in that first match? Probably not. So why would we put a rule in there that we have absolutely no way of enforcing?

You may not agree with the rules and that is your perrogative. However the people that wrote the rules and the Captains enforcing them do so based on a much larger picture. Having tunnel vision will always make things seem unfair.

P.s.

QQ

Kat never plays in the losing matches. Nice try though.

Those matches were not the jump team, we were testing out some other stuff. And you didn't see them.

As for you killing my tank one time. First of all it wasn't an official. Second of all I have never in my entire pvp career died 14 times in one match. Ever. Never. Even if I was afk rubbing one out I couldn't die 14 times in one match like you did. Perhaps I should get pff on my tank so I don't have to worry about learning how to evade.