CrazyJerseyan

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I play differently depending on my mood. Sometimes I want a challenge, and sometimes I just want to relax. The problem is that you basically called me out saying I was a noob simply because on SOME occasions (when I happened to be on the same side as Ronin, and he happened to invite me), I would play with lots of buffs. Granted, it was a reasonable assumption....if I ran into someone that was using all those buffs, I'd think they were a noob too. But in your case, you were talking to one of like 3 oldest PvP'ers left in the game hehe. So it's an exception to the rule.

But Ronin's been gone for 2+ months, and I still do just fine, as you've probably seen. So that should tell you something

Anyway, maybe should can team up sometime. I've played a PB in PvP for like 2-3 years, you know

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I don't really team man, b/c im one of those that prefers a challenge all the time...thats what relaxes me. I do appreciate the offer and it's always cool to see good sports in PvP as opposed to the "<---lol <ur name here> macro" kids.

As far as me calling anyone a n00b, I can't deny when a person has skill...so it was of an emphasis to be placed moreso on a person's mentality. My 11yo nephew can't wait to kill me all day on Super Smash Brothers and then "LOL!" when he beats me. Im a good enough sport and let him win usually b/c I dont need my ego stroked plus, I love to see the kid have fun...but you get what I'm saying. Like i said before, I apologize for not recognizing that some ppl just enjoy "OMGPAWNZ!"; you are right, it can be relaxing. Just never been my thing but thats me and who the hell am I?

Anyways, good chatting it up with you like always man (n00b ).

Give the forum something to work with. Do you prefer melee or ranged, controlling minions or holding? etc etc.

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I learned my lesson man, even tho I still sometimes return trash talk...I try to keep my chat window minimized and focus on playing.


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Hehe yeah, I've noticed. And I was wondering why you've only been playing your PB.

Well anyway, if it makes you happy, I think Ronin either quit or got banned. He hasn't been around in like 2+ months.

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And the other part of it is, once 2 people put each other on ignore, then that ceases all trashtalk with a quickness...lol.

Virtue's PvP population is much smaller then I was lead to believe originally...so when I want more ppl, I'll load up the PB on Freedom. What's really funny, is ppl hate that PB just b/c he flies and fights, 10x more then they hated a Fort cheating with triple stacked Vengeance...hilarious to me.

Here's the thing...I don't know you or Ronin to "love/hate" either one of you or anyone else in the game. Those are strong emotions reserved for real life like the high-end escorts I use, Hitler & the Holocaust/Osama Bin Laden or even my old Army First Sergeant who was a real ahole that didnt care about the well being of the soldiers under his command etc etc. I do dislike anyone's PLAYSTLE that dictates they cheat in PvP. Not only hospital buffing a toon, but to triple stack Vengeance for themselves and upto 4 ppl on a team of Forts/Brutes etc that already have superior defense is cheesy as h-e-l-l (only my opinion). Once I realized that a lot of ppl in the game overlooked that he needed to cheat in order to play simply b/c hes been a longtime standing PvPer then yeah...I stopped with the arguing and just hit the petition button when I saw him doing the exploit, which was about every 5 minutes.

The main point of contention came from a Stalker, named Matt, that told me Ronin stopped using his blaster and focused on his Fort b/c too many heroes were always trash talking him (+ he was a Stalker, what did he have to worry about from a Vengd Blaster when its a game of Hide N Seek?). No, he used his Fort mostly due to the fact you get more mileage out of triple stacking Vengeance on a defense toon (Forts-75% vs Blaster-52.5). It just made it easier to float in place and take minimal dmg but pump out massive dmg. A lot of ppl cried for a DR solution partly b/c some Blasters figured out how to become a Tank in PvP. Ronin on his Fort figured out the same thing...

Bottomline, I started PvPing awhile back for the challenge and fun of it. If you have been PvPing since the zones 1st came out and are so bored, don't want a challenge anymore and want to "GODMODEOMGOWNPAWN!", then why not go back to PvE or take a break altogether?

Back to the original spirit of the post, Forts still do well as ppl have pointed out. It just comes down to the mentality of the ppl that play. If you want a Fort (or any AT) to do well, just need to work on it. If you want a supereasy/challenge free PvP toon that you dont even need to IO, then yeah...a Fort probably isnt it anymore.

"Why? because i knew this was coming it's no way the vills will be allowed to keep such a powerful toon in pvp no way."

No way vills OR heroes would be allowed to have such a powerful toon. I don't know any hero ATs that were this powerful either. I have been in zone with a a team of vills: 3 Stalkers and 3 Forts and watched as they killed 14 heroes without any problem. I think when a 1x6 man team can run all over 2 teams + and hold it down for as long as they want...there was probably a reason to cry/whine about it. I would just switch sides until they got bored, but anyone can recognize that this was the epitome of OPness.

As far as Blasters doing great with SOs and flying around...I'd say it depends on what server you play and at what time. I was on Freedom most of the day and earlier a mob of blasters were running amok at the vill base. This evening, all the flying stalkers logged on and surprise!...not so many flying Blasters with SOs all of a sudden killing everything in sight.

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LOL so you're cybertech, huh. I guess we should stop the whole hate thing. I have to admit, you did piss me off a while ago with your non-stop trash talk, so I went out of my way to farm you any time I saw you for like a month. But that was like 2 months ago. You seem to have dropped the whole "talk constant trash to Supermax cuz he's friends with Ronin" thing, so it's all good. I will do my best to not be an [censored] to you anymore :P

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I am a big enough MAN to say the following:

!!!SCREW U SUPERMAX...I HATE U AND RONIN!!!

Seriously though, I apologize for any hard feelings. I got tired of all that and moved my PvP blaster and vills to Virtue. Funny thing was...as small as the play is there, 2 guys asked me how Ronnin was doing with the 4 accounts stacked veng tactics, saying that they relocated b/c of his Blaster or Fort (and also b/c of the general OP trash talk all day with the "<---lol <insert name here>" macros when someone gets a kill). Even in the land of RP PvP with "catgirls" and "soldiers" running around Virtue, I couldnt get away from him lol.

I learned my lesson man, even tho I still sometimes return trash talk...I try to keep my chat window minimized and focus on playing.

It all comes down to perspective, but for the record...I never started any trash talk. You would say in zone to someone "Yeah, ppl hate me cuz I'm friends with and team with Ronin"...to which I would reply "No, ppl hate you because you guys think it takes skill to get 3x stacked Vengeance and then float above the hero hosp almost untouchable, killing ppl for 2 hours when they try to come out." Madness would ensue and the whole zone would break out on 1 side or the other about whether stacked Vengeance was an exploit.
Cheers

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As I was reading over some of the issue 14 beta posts it occured to me that we may see some attitude shifts in regards to PvP in the not to distant future.

People will be building new arcs and many will be using their own characters as EBs/AVs in those arcs. I wonder if this will help people get over the mental hurdle that many have in regards to getting beat by an opponent that isn't just AI. Granted, it's still controlled by AI, but it will be their build, and is something they are familiar with.

I don't know, just a thought. With MA and the new PvP IOs, we might be seeing more RPers in PvP soon. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing yet.

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MA could have been a boon for pvp, but there are a bunch of disconnected cords in the dev's brains. And I mean that in the nicest way possible.

MA could have eventually been a way to create custom pvp maps, or make real bank missions where rather than npc's trying to stop the villains - heroes actually show up. yada yada.

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As usual, I never thought about it that way and as usual...great ideas Frost.

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All those fast 50s via MA will need something to do with their new found power. I shall eat them in RV. muhahahaha

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lol

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lol I love it too. The only thing missing is some sort of quote from the dead body about how stalkers are overpowered :P

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LOL...yeah. And a well placed "u effin SoB....ur mother!" heh

Good job and I totally got it. Reminds me of a cpl of Stalkers in Freedom SC...lol.

I wanted to tell you this b4, but forgot...thats the best avatar I think I've seen. It always makes me lol on the inside

Like I said in the above posts...I'm not into "god" toons. The same reason why I solo and don't team and the same reason I never agreed with anyone that promoted using 4 accounts to stack Vengeance on an already OP toon to fight 2 teams worth of ppl and beat all of then basically solo. I play the toons that I enjoy and thats what I'll spend a billion dollars on. It's more challenging to me to beat someone with a toon that not everyone has as opposed to the same cookie cutter build.

But if you use that philosophy overall...then everyone thats into god mode is going to be playing the exact same toons b/c PvP is unbalanced like ppl have stated. I hate seeing 10-20 of the same FOTM builds floating around in PvP, but thats just me and I understand why it happens. Some ppl just want the god mode option and I'm not going to get into a discussion about skill...but y'know.

I undertand and it's all good. From what I have seen in PvP, there are really 2 types of players:

1) those that play a build regardless of whats FOTM and work on them/spent mucho money...b/c they enjoy that particular toon. Be it for sentimental reasons, RP (in the case of Virtue) or they just want to play something that is unique.
2) those that play for min/max reasons and really get into "totallyuberpwnziwin!".

There's nothing wrong with either one of those really...but when I started talking on forums, I just didnt take into account so many were into #2, b/c I'm more #1ish. Neither devices or PBs were a big thing til recently and I get a lot of "gj killing me with an OP toon ahole" tells...but it wasnt like that a few issues ago when I was doing casual PvP.

I think everyone has to agree that we all have our own thoughts on builds/ATs that are great/weak...one man's "LOL @" toon is another's "hawt killer all day" toon. Have fun and see you out there.

PS- for the 1s that are exiting stage left to go play DCUO and Champions...send me a tell at NJCASH on Freedom, b/c I'll take ur stuff

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Fire has more dmg per second then sonic on corrupter...slap a hold proc in flares and put the dmg procs in fire blast.

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This. On top of hold & dmg procs...2-3 HOs to get better range for the win. My fire Blaster & fire Corr do well still...I had no idea they were utter jokes now.

Im not here to argue with you Super even though we have had some mehly heated discussions in the past about toons PvPing with stacked vengeance etc...this post though was directed towards Rulker. We all have our own opinions and thats why I enjoy the forums; I dont always agree with yours (and vice versa) but I respect them.

When there is more then 1 person saying the following:

"Forts still can work just not as great as past issue. I still can kill most of squishies on mine except blasters give me hard times since they actually do hit most of the time :/"

"Forts are still a force to be reckoned with only now you have to work a little harder. If you honestly think they are garbage because of the tweaks to their damage and elusivity then it's not your Fort that's the problem, it's you."

its obvious that there are still some playing their Forts and doing well. Even you said that you didn't IO ur Fort and if thats the case...then of course a build is gonna be "lol, forts".

Also, I never said anything about nerfing or making defense useless...I have a cpl of toons that are so so now b/c of that. I just said invest some money and time into a build. I dont consider using SOs to really be putting forth much of an effort though (just my opinion).

People LOL at a lot of PvP ATs, but then there are some that decide to understand the mechanics of it and play them well. An example...as much as I've seen laffs directed at MMs, I've also seen others make them work well in zone and in duels/arena. Those ppl have taken the time and made the investments to get their toon to a point where its good to go.

It just comes down to whether u want to take the time to figure it all out...or if you want to get on a Stalker and spend 90% of ur zone time hiding and 5% running. A lot good Stalkers out there, but the rest just get 3 layers of stealth and run around needing to double & triple AS with their friends to get a kill. I can see how that could be considered fun.

The point is, most builds need a good investment. You cant bring an unslotted Blaster into zone and hit the ol' "IWIN" button...so why should you be able to use an unslotted Fort to do the same? A lot of ppl bailed on Forts b/c they no longer get a toon that has Blaster damage, Troller holds and Tank defense with minimum effort/money. Be like everyone else and put some time into your Fort and you will do fine.

I've used a Device blaster since i11 and needed a few respecs in order to take out most of my +DMG and spend millions on +ACC just to hit Forts last issue. Not sure why ppl feel like they dont have to work on their toons. It's just a game, but like in life...you have to invest in something to make it better. People want PvP to be more like PvE is the only thing I can think of...but most migrate to PvP for a challenge while some basically prefer it challenge free.

Finally, this happens to any toon, not just Forts...(even stalkers) - "you just get owned by all the Blasters out there". I prefer to play solo and get killed a lot, but I get my own kills also. Could be if your Fort gets pawned so much...maybe it's not the toon or maybe your style of play dictates you should be more team oriented.

I agree with you. The "lol" was b/c I assumed he was making a funny coupled with the fact that I've only seen maybe 3 AR toons in PvP the last issue or so. But based on your post, I have seen a few toons that were considered lulz at 1 point, get buffs and turn out to be decent builds.

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/fingers crossed for ar/dark

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I dont think I've seen any AR/Darks in zone, but the thought of it made me LOL and then jizz in my pants

Between Freedom and Virtue, I still see 2-3 Forts a day run thru and own SC/RV. I would say they must be some scrubs that have billions of dollars to pump into their builds, but they're the same Forts that were top notch in i13 also as opposed to the guys that didnt really put much into their builds.

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Ranged defense, +HP, +dam.

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"Forts are still a force to be reckoned with only now you have to work a little harder. If you honestly think they are garbage because of the tweaks to their damage and elusivity then it's not your Fort that's the problem, it's you. "
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I agree with the above; Forts can still rock in i14. They did well prior to i13 and with Elusivity added...were just crazy. I know, some ppl have said they were "ez" to kill blah blah blah...thats probably true if you were purpled out and had a few accounts buffing your toon every few minutes. For me, the only way I could kill them last issue was to spend millions on +ACC and still got rocked when 2-3 teamed up and kept ML flowing (or used stacked vengeance tactics etc).

I dont agree with taking Defense down to 10%, but I'm assuming the devs are testing the min/max levels as opposed to the "PvP its DOOOOOOM/screw the devs, but I'll keep playing b/c...well I dont know why" attitudes. Bottomline, Forts still do well when built properly...but you have to work on it more now. If you want a toon thats ez street PvP that you can take out into the zone and fight 8 people at a time with minimum IOs/thought/effort put into ur build...yeah, its probably not for you. Thats why really only the good players still use their Forts and they do well with them.

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Great guide man; really gave me some ideas

Thanks again Mac

I have a few ranged toons and looking at working on a melee build to play. Do resistances cap out under DR rules in PvP?

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how about you say " I am thinking about making (insert AT), and this is my planned build (insert Mids data chunk or build). Any suggestions on how I can make it better?" and then we can help you out.

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Well played sir and I concur. This request sounds like "I want dessert after dinner...what tastes good?"