CrazyJerseyan

The confusion was on my part. Ill run either where you need me; will check back here to see what you decided.

Meh...ur Brute must really need some work. Also, I didn't specify what the 3-5 heroes ATs were. I have seen a mixed group of 3-5 heroes get held off by a good SS/Fire and some killed ie a few blasters, cpl of defenders/trollers. If your Brute is getting murdered and "just able to "survive a hero onslaught so long", then I'd take a look at your build and tactics.

Like I said, look at the ppl's comments in this thread and then look at your original deal. When a person's thoughts are different from 90% of the others posted, that usually points towards the minority as being incorrect or off for 1 reason or another.

Take it easy.

Luna...sorry for the confusion. Ill run both nites.

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You can guarantee that they were ignorant noobs huh? lol
Maybe ur SS/Fire just isnt that good. I didn't say "totally wreck a few chumps", I said they do well vs a few heroes at a time. By that I mean they don't get killed right away and can kill a cpl of heroes even though it's 1v3-5.

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Yes, I did say TOTAL N00BS and ABSOLUTE MORONS. I don't think I stuttered.


If you are actually able to go into a pvp environment and face off against "3-5 Heroes at once" and survive long enough to pull off a "couple of kills then YES, the players you are fighting against are either sorely sorely ill-equipped and ill-prepared to be dealing with you, or they are just total fools. There is no excuse for a "competant" team with 3-5 players to EVER go down to a "solo" and "single" Brute. Ever. Unless of course....they are simply fools or fit any of the clauses I just described.


Even a half decent healer/buffer will be able to save his teammate "indefinately" before you ever have a chance to flatline his green bar, and the rest of his team shouldn't just standing around with their thumbs up their rears either.


So basically, yes, if you are fighting total nubs/un-prepared Heroes, you can do what you described above, otherwise, no.

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This:
"Taunt + KOB + Hurl + Healing Flames and repeat. U will eventually win unless he's a /MM blaster if he runs or phases let him.. he'll be back and he'll eventually slip up."

Now I'm sure you dont know what you're talking about since you mentioned a "competant team" of heroes. There is usually a gaggle of heroes running around zone simply fighting willy nilly; they usually don't team up like Stalkers etc.

Anyways, the point of this thread was can Brutes do well vs ranged and the answer is yes. Just b/c you have a piss poor build, don't ruin it for others with comments like:
1) most "villain" melee toons simply cannot deal enough damage fast enough to kill any half decent ranged toon before it either kills him LOL
2) I'll guarantee that the hero's he was facing were ignorant n00bs who had no clue LOL
3) Anyways, I agree with those who think that a squishies global resistances should be lowered drastically in pvp zones. It's just pretty much ridiculous right now LOL

Go make ur own thread if you want to cry about DR, PvP changes etc.
I hate when someone asks a legitimate question and ppl flood the thread with negativity. By the way...check out the other posters here, they seem to contradict your input.

Im game for an all nite TF run Luna...
Transcendent Shadow - lv50 PB

Im game E if you still have room...
Transcendent Shadow - lv50 PB

Glad it went smashingly well. There are a few ppl on Freedom that run a cpl TFs a week; I'm pasting an example format...seems to work well when getting ppl interested and organizing:



Weekend Master of the Statesman Task Force

When: Saturday, March 7 @ 11:00PM Eastern / 8:00PM Pacific

The Team (so far):

1. Master TimeLord: Mind/Kin Controller or IG-2112MD Emp/Rad Defender
2. Dr Frozburn: Ice/Fire Tank
3. Master-Blade: Kat/Reg Scrapper
4. Scruffy Muffy: TBA
5. infernoassassin: TBA
6. Midnight Gale: Ill/Storm Controller
7. King Sac: TBA
8. TigerKnight: TBA

Rewards: Master of...badge, a SHO or 38 Merits + 2 for the Arachnos Flier! No guarantees on the badge, of course...

Task Force Restrictions: No Deaths / No Temp Powers (which also includes Vet reward powers)

Sign-up here or send me a global @Mr E-Man in game.

Stock up on inspirations! Purples and/or oranges are required during the vine clearing phase in the tree room & during AV pulls/battles.

GJ to everyone that ran it and thx again Luna for organizing
I invited a cpl of SG mates and they joined a team just prior to the 10pm kick-off. Since it was such a good turnout, I ran with them on a PUG and it went well; no Hami invites during the ITF.

Catch you guys on the next TF

Thx man

They are a blast. What channel is it broadcasted on?

Ill be all up in your ITF like a thong vs buttcracks.

Transcendent Shadow - lv50 PB

Better to build what you want thru Mids, post it here and let ppl tear it up. As far as asking for advice on PvP oriented builds in the AT sections...sometimes you get lucky, but usually not a lot of feedback from my experience. Mostly your "i need pvp build advice" thread gets usurped by "why i hate pvp now lol" emo players that are promising to leave once CO hits.

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Mike Tyson versus Billy the Kid, mike will lose this fight 9/10 times but if some how mike gets into melee and lands a KO blow before Billy gets off his nuke than mike will win. Maybe they need to up melee damage OR TAKE THAT STUPID RESIST OFF SQUISHIES.

Sorry some of the new changes get me all emotional, but against a good kiter all you can do is run you won't win that battle. When you taunt them they'll just keep kiting until it wears off, and just wittle away at you. You have to think about it, most range fighters probably have more resist than you do, some have multiple heals and hybernoob.

I just don't see how that was a good idea either? making all squishies tank mages. But in response to you question, i find that you just have to hope the ranged attacker isn't experienced or else it's almost impossible to win that fight with this new pvp. In i12 a good melee could atleast give them some trouble but now not so much.

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Ive seen some SS/Fire brutes brawling off against 2-5 heroes at once in zone PvP and do pretty good considering the odds; must have some killer builds. Spammed use of Taunt/TP Foe/KO Blow seemed to eat squishies up.

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I'll guarantee that the hero's he was facing were ignorant n00bs who had no clue what the hell they were doing. On top of that he most likely popped Insps+Demonic.


I have an SS/Fire Brute which I pvp with quite frequently, and "at times" I can survive against 2-3 attacking heroes (while pretty much running for my life) but I'm not going to really "win" anything if they aren't total baffoons. Basically, if my SS/Fire Brute has all the conditions right (couple inspires on, Demonic, FE+Rage on, HF up, and a tad bit-o-fury) and my slightly above average opponent has it all wrong (Hibern00b/Phase not recharged, no inspires, no Aid Self/Self Heal, BU+Aim down, taunted, not paying "too" close attention by worring about a Stalker in the area) then yes, I can totally wreck a couple chumps before they realize what's going on or have time to react. But that's ALOT of clauses in there for this to happen, which basically means...it doesn't happen very often, at all.


Against complete nubs then yea, I don't need all those clauses to do well, but that goes without saying.


For the most part though, I am just able to "survive" a hero onslaught so long as it "isn't" a decent hero spike team. In those cases, I go down just as fast as any toon really. With SS/Fire, if I'm lucky enough to be playing with a couple competant Stalkers, I'm awesome at setting up Spikes for them. Rage+FE+KoB means that I can remove a GOOD chunk of health from a squishy, the Hold+KnockUp in KoB also means that I've just sent the squishy to his back. With a couple good Stalkers to do very quick follow-up AS's, the squishy usually has no chance to survive, even if he gets off a quick heal somehow as my first KoB already removed a good deal of health, the double AS's seal the deal. For the most part though, my Brute spends his time hitting someone a couple times, they then Hibern00b/Phase, and I run from their friends for my life haha, there isn't a ton-of-killin to be had Red side like there is Blue Side.


Anyways, I agree with those who think that a squishies global resistances should be lowered drastically in pvp zones. It's just pretty much ridiculous right now...

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You can guarantee that they were ignorant noobs huh? lol
Maybe ur SS/Fire just isnt that good. I didn't say "totally wreck a few chumps", I said they do well vs a few heroes at a time. By that I mean they don't get killed right away and can kill a cpl of heroes even though it's 1v3-5. Which is a big difference from the advice you gave someone about "but against a good kiter all you can do is run you won't win that battle"

Sounds to me like you need to work on your build and add more purples and work on your tactics.

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Mike Tyson versus Billy the Kid, mike will lose this fight 9/10 times but if some how mike gets into melee and lands a KO blow before Billy gets off his nuke than mike will win. Maybe they need to up melee damage OR TAKE THAT STUPID RESIST OFF SQUISHIES.

Sorry some of the new changes get me all emotional, but against a good kiter all you can do is run you won't win that battle. When you taunt them they'll just keep kiting until it wears off, and just wittle away at you. You have to think about it, most range fighters probably have more resist than you do, some have multiple heals and hybernoob.

I just don't see how that was a good idea either? making all squishies tank mages. But in response to you question, i find that you just have to hope the ranged attacker isn't experienced or else it's almost impossible to win that fight with this new pvp. In i12 a good melee could atleast give them some trouble but now not so much.

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Ive seen some SS/Fire brutes brawling off against 2-5 heroes at once in zone PvP and do pretty good considering the odds; must have some killer builds. Spammed use of Taunt/TP Foe/KO Blow seemed to eat squishies up.

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Well, if somebody interrupts my duel, or if they 'wronged' me in some way, I'm gonna hound them for the rest of the time I'm in the zone. That includes attacking them, healing their target, debuffing them, etc. No smack talk. Action speaks louder than words.

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It is zone play but sometimes it gets boring when the #s die down and it's cool to instead of doing absolutely nothing...duel a lil or watch til the #s pick back up.

Im just like Necro...I know it's zone...but when 2-3 Stalkers AS my toon when I'm "watching" (yeah, b/c theres 5 total ppl in zone) and I know that they usually can't kill me, then I lol and hunt them down like dogs. Usually 15mins later Im getting cursed out and called immature b/c the same ppl are now mad that they cant watch duels b/c theyre signing release paperwork at the hospital every few minutes.

It is what it is.

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I should clarify one thing though. If I'm a villain to hell with courtesy. What's the point of being a villain if you are polite.

Hero I'm honorable.
Villain I'm a scum bag.

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I love RP PvP on Virtue...

I asked awhile back about good PvP brute builds and like 274 ppl responded with SS/Fire. You have to play whats fun for you though and try to make it work. Just keep in mind that a lot of ppl are min/max types when it comes to all this.

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I completely gave up. I resubbed for a month to check out MA but it's boring to me. CoX no longer has me in it's grasp. I'm free at last free at last. I can't even sit at the computer to play it. I tried after taking a long break and was like "what in the world did I used to get out of this?" Good luck all.

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If I get you back on free for a day...can I has ur stuffs?

April 21, 2009, 05:35:27 am
Mids
Titan Network Admin

Things are going a bit slowly due to other drains on my time, but it'll get there.




April 08, 2009, 12:09:24 pm
Cath
Titan Network Moderator

He will get to it when possible. Since he's "across the pond", he gets most of the numbers secondhand until the Issue goes live. Now that it's live, he can verify and bug check things for himself. The PVP sets are an interesting curveball to say the least.
We'll update you guys when it's done.
Thanks for being patient as we beat the stuffing out of the Panda.

I approve of this funky fat freshness.

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I've never been much on pvp, but from time to time I'll have some fun therer. Stopped by sirens call last night and it was a ghost town! is pvp really that dead?

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Thats also really depends on what server your on.
Over on Virtue there is always pvp action. Sometimes its a little. Sometimes its a lot. But there is always sometype of pvp going on.

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If by 'always' you mean some 1v1 in SC...then yeah, Virtue is hotbed of PvP activity.

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Hey jersean, I actually have a question. From what I've seen, your PB does seem to have +perception in nova form. What do you have? The +perc IO? Is it actually slotted in the nova form or what?

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I have Nova 6 slotted: 5x Adjusted Targeting & 1x Fly. I wanted to get that 5% recharge; I went with Solient's advice on maxing recharge. Since I was having problems seeing stealthed vills (Banes etc) overall, I picked up Tactics and slotted: 1x Perception IO & 5x Adjusted Targeting. I basically just switch between Human and Nova forms while fighting if I can (a cpl of Doms hold me like theres no tomorrow) and it works ok.

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Robo, that is actually totally wrong now. I13 made PB's pretty damn good. With I14, they are actually better than VEATS.

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It's kinda funny that you bring this up. I had it in mind to design a VEAT hunter/killer. Theoretically speaking, being able to do that with a PB would hinge on whether or not I could debuff their Defense enough to do steady damage. My first thought would be to use Nova form to rapidly stack -Defense.

To that effect, how have the recent Elusivity changes affected VEATs? Are they still the Defensive juggernauts that they were in i12?

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I made my PB to solely fight other flyers...it does well. Like Supermax indicated, there will be times when there's only Stalkers playing and then you get the "stupid flying PB, come down here and fite u coward" tells from Stalkers without jetpacks. It is what it is...just be prepared to play sometimes when there are only Stalker ATs online and keep in mind they are in hide 90% of the time. Makes for boring times for a flying PB if you go the Nova route.

Take a look in the Kheldian section for posts from SolientGreen. He has a lot of great input on PvPing with a PB.