Coyote_Seven

Well, I haven't seen these Supergamble Packs that you speak of, but I sure have opened up a lot of regular ol' Super Packs! They're fun!

Alternate reply: I think I'm going to start a drinking game. Each and every time I see someone either imply or accuse CCG like elements in a game are "gambling", and make attempts to derail threads in this way, I'll take another drink...

...of tea. No way am I damaging my liver for you lot!

So then the devs really are employing the sorting algorithm of evil.

Well now why don't we fling the Praetorian Hamidon right at this Battalion and have them fight each other?

That would work for me!

Is it a glowing red phone inside a glass bell jar?

And the tier 2 thugs can summon more thugs.

And every thug can cast caltrops.

Even the thugs from gangwar.

It wasn't relevant to the point I was trying to make in that reply. I was trying to illustrate just how silly I find this comparison to CCGs and gambling. But, you know, this kind of tells me that you don't really listen so much as you wait to talk. That's not a really good way to communicate. I kinda suspected as much already. So... thank you for confirming my suspicions!

I'm pretty sure that either you or someone else will make a snap reply and say I do the same thing, which I would find very amusing and ironic. I'm sorry if my dismissing your (that's a plural "you" there) arguments as silly, your reasons as fallacious and the potential implications if your concerns were taken seriously as chilling make you all foam at the mouth or whatever, but... actually, no, I'm not sorry! I'm actually rather relieved when I remember that none of you set policy for this game, let alone anything else I care about. So... yeah, there's that!

And there you are.

This is like comparing a BB gun with a hydrogen bomb. If that comparison made you roll your eyes, then congratulations! You know how Mazey feels, now.

And me.

You know how earlier in the thread I was convinced that people were confusing the casual and legal definitions of the word "gambling"? And thus making pedantic, semantic arguments? It was because of inferences to fallacious statements as this one.

Just so you know.

None whatsoever!

How about now? Can you feel the love now? We're all just one big happy family of CoH players. That's what they say about us and this board, right?

rotflmao

Well hey, you decided to go there. So I followed you.

I'm not about to walk on eggshells just because someone else has a gambling problem, and they're triggered by any games where random chance is an element. They're all adults and responsible for their own actions. If they need help and want to get it, they should get it.

But it later they want to go around pointing fingers and using "the G word" at everything that even smells of gambling to them, well... I'll continue to be mildly amused at that.

LOL! I think I'm starting to realize just how serious some of you people really are about this stuff. What's more amusing though is that this is starting to turn into the argument sketch.

Indeed! I intend to buy as many packs as I can. The devs need our support more than ever now.

I beg to differ. This thread has been so thoroughly derailed that there's no longer any hope of it ever getting back on track. Why, I'm entirely certain that the mods have it targeted from orbit already.

That's OK. I don't care what you think, either.

Kind of makes you wonder why anyone is bothering to post anything here? Maybe we all hope there's a chance that we'll find someone who agrees with us and we'll make a new friend.

But that... is a gamble.

You mean paying real money to play a game, and then get a chance to win in-game items? I think that used to be called a "subscription". These new F2P models do kind of dial that up to 11 though, so I can see where it might get confusing for a lot of people.

It apparently bothers a subsection of the rather vociferous minority who engage in, ahem, "healthy" discussions on this very bulletin board, LOL. It bothers them so much that they won't shut up about it even when that wasn't even the original topic of the thread.

I'm surprised any one of them even bothers to respond to my posts, even. It's not like I have any kind of influence over the devs... or do I? >.>

You do realize that just because you keep saying it's gambling doesn't actually make it so?

I don't want to make any assumptions here, you know, 'cause that's apparently a bad thing.

You tell me. If he doesn't think gambling is bad then why does he even care in the first place? Let alone the fact that CCGs or anything like them (like Super Packs) really are not even in the first place.

Yes, thank you! I was starting to wonder if maybe I was suddenly on a ship filled with crazy people, lol.

CCGs are not even gambling in the general sense, let alone the legal definition.

Well then I guess I was wrong. You think that all gambling of any sort is bad, then? Why?

Using their own logic, I've already pointed out that everything is gambling. And since gambling is wrong, that means that everything is wrong. And the universe is one giant duck.

Being that it's part of a videogame, I'm inclined to continue calling it that. Is there any a reason why a videogame should stop being called a videogame because it includes a CCG theme? Which, as far as I know, isn't even its main theme? We're all still playing hero and villain characters that defeat enemies and gain XP, right?

It's certainly not my fault that the AGA is afraid of the social taint surrounds the word "gambling". As well, the argument over the morality of gambling is entirely beside the point, because if we're going there then you're assuming that everyone already agrees that these Super Packs are a form of gambling, in the legal sense, and I'm pretty sure I've already expressed my opinion about that.

That's another reason why I think people like Snow Globe are using very underhanded tactics in attempts to enforce their positions. He used the general definition of the word, when the argument was clearly circling around its legal definition (your reference to the AGA bears that out, I say; it implies that's where your thoughts have been for this entire argument, and I've seen others do the same). As soon as I saw that song and dance about "looks and quacks like a duck" I knew he was just more interested in being right than anything else, and he was just throwing everything onto the wall in hopes that something would stick. I'm not about to take someone like that at all seriously.

I'm not at all surprised that these people can't tell the difference between a general and a legal definition, and that it's somehow all the same to them. If they want to be a pack of chicken littles running around and waving their arms about in a moral panic, well I'm not about to stop them. But I'm just as free to point out how silly their reactions are to something like this. I'm sure that'll make me a pariah or whatever, but you know, the ignore function is right there! So, what-ev.

I've played videogames since I was a little kid, and I've played games of chance for actual money quite often. As well, my own family history is filled with problems of addiction. So if nobody minds, I think I'll take my own experiences over those of some guys who are butthurt that they can't just get all their shinies at once and instead have to play a little game of gotta-catch-em-all in order to get them.

How very pedantic, engaging in a semantic argument like that. And then topping it off with a meme designed to short circuit any semblance of rational discourse or thought. How underhanded of you. Er, I mean clever. Yeah, it's clever. Golf clap.

I might as well cut to the chase.

Since we're gonna play the dictionary game, I might as well point out one part I put in bold. Did you know there's a chance you could get into a serious accident on your way to work every day? If you live where I do, there's a chance that a major earthquake might hit, and that might kill you. Perhaps you might get struck by lightning during a storm, and you might die. Why, there's a chance that a meteor could strike you right this very moment, or maybe tomorrow. Maybe never!

I daresay that living in the universe is a "gamble" for each and every unit of time you exist in it. Looks like everything is a gamble, hmm? I guess the universe is just one great big duck then, eh?

Quack!