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But will it even do that?

Some of the history is still there. Now they'll also have to make sure that the history they DO remember actually still happened. I'm sure DC will have it written down somewhere... but they already have everything written down.

If they didn't bother looking it up before, why will they look it up now?

But doesn't that mean they're targeting the crowd that will be most likely to be cheesed off by the reboot?


And if they were REALLY smart, they'd stop spending so much time worrying about timelines and spend that time making the titles they HAVE better.

Honestly though, WHAT is this reboot supposed to fix again?

Apparantly a lot of the current history will still have happened in one form or another; so there's still a lot of back story, but now it'll be slightly different and much more ambiguous since you can't simply look to the older comics for what happened.

No, everyone remembers how the world was. Only a few remember the alternate 'House of M' world and what happened there. All those mutants remember being mutants. Scarlet Witch altering reality simply cancelled out their X-gene. It didn't rewrite history.

What did House of M reboot?

We are keeping the actual meaning of the word 'reboot' in mind, right?

I'd still love to see Cass and Steph working together in the same book. I really liked the way the two characters played off of each other.

I must admit, I've found Emma and Scott's relationship to be much more interesting than Scott and Jean's ever was.

My only worry is that when they eventually bring her back they'll either get her back together with him OR hook her up with Wolverine, which is just as bad.


I'd also throw in Squirrel Girl and Speedball.

Though I guess I should specify alternate future Speedball and not whiney 616 Speedball.

Agree with the first part, not so much with the second. For me it was just another example of comic books hating a healthy, happy relationship.

I don't know, do we really want to go back to the "will they or won't they" super-hero romances?

It's funny; Superman married Lois, Spiderman married Mary Jane, Cyclops married Jean; I was operating under the misconception that we were done with that kinda thing.

Then Jean dies (again), and Cyclops hooks up with the White Queen.

Okay, not a big deal. They still went right into the relationship with no dancing around the issue.

Then Spiderman makes his faustian deal and we say good-bye to Mary Jane.

I'm left stunned and staggering only to now be KOed by Clark and Lois getting the big split.

Why do comics hate marriages? Even before all this we saw the signs. Hey, weren't Ralph and Sue Dibney great in 'Formerly'? Well.... bad news.

Though I guess I gotta give 'em SOME props for bringing them back as ghostly detectives or whatever. Are they still around? I suppose in the reboot-verse they'll kill 'em off all over again. Either that or make an emotional wreck of their marriage; probably with one of 'em hitting the booze.

Yeah, I THINK we all get that by now.

However, Iron Man, Thor, and Incredible Hulk all managed to make their changes without playing Mad Libs with the characters and history. So obviously it CAN be done. Why is it unreasonable to express regret that the same couldn't be done for X-Men?

It's all well and good to say 'look at it as an alternate history story', but I'm usually not interested in those kind of stories. I might read a one-off Elseworld's story every now and then, but generally I just have no interest in them cause they aren't about the characters I know.

"If you don't like it, don't watch it."

Fair enough. And I've admitted to the movie's quality a couple of times. But it DOES mean that the it's going to be that much longer before I can see the X-Men in a Marvel made movie; possibly interacting with Iron Man and Captain America. Heck, I'd kill to see a tense battle of wills between Nick "Sam Jackson" Fury and Professor X.

Eh, it was tongue-in-cheek enough that I could chuckle at it.

Cause it isn't.

What made Harley great was that she was such a great mess of contradictions. Ditzy and intelligent, psychotic and adorable... oh, and she was sexy without prancing around in her underwear. Sure, she still had the skintight suit, but it was still pretty modest by comic book standards.

Now we get a Harley wearing an idiotic outfit worthy of the White Queen. And, judging by the cover image, will probably be your standard, one-note psycho. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they ditched the psychiatrist background and said she was a junkie raver.

I try to be positive, I really do. I'm almost always the one saying "wait and see", "give it a chance", but this.... I just can't be optimistic about this.

Imagine me groaning hard enough to crack cement.

Oh, obviously she'll be back with the Joker since, as evidenced by Batgirl/Babs, character growth = stupid.

Hey, I'm not unreasonable. I can take changes in the continuity between the comics and movies. Heck, I hate the Ultimate-verse more than anything, and all the Marvel movies have borrowed heavily from the Ultimate continuity. But the characters and world still felt like the original comic ones, so it didn't bother me.

The X-Men movies never quite felt the same. It wasn't as noticeable in the first two since you could kinda see it as an extreme condensing of X-history. By X3 it was just a mess and trying to tie the new movie into that continuity killed my interest from the get-go.

Also, it was a prequel. And I'm rarely interested in prequels. That's just a personal thing.

And again, I'm not hating on First Class. From the sound of it the film turned out pretty good and I'm glad people enjoyed it. I just kinda wanted the X-movie-verse to be back under Marvel's control. One, cause their movies feel more faithful to the feel of the comics, and two, cause I wanna see the X-Men show up in Marvel's burdgeoning movie universe. Same with Spiderman.

This is what always bugs me. I keep hearing people talking about how new readers are so confused by the continuity.

I read comics VERY sporadically in my younger days and only started actually following books in... late middle school/early high school. Even then, I stuck with Marvel. Mainly X-Men. Sure, there were things now and then that I didn't know the history of, but nothing that really bothered me. I'd just think "oh, that musta happened before", shrug, and go on reading.

Same story with DC when I got into a couple of their series. Missing a few references to past events never phased me. And as the internet became more prevalent, the entire thing became a moot issue. Anything I was really interested in was a quick wiki-search away.

But even then, I hardly ever bothered to go and look it up. And even when I did, it was just for personal interest and not cause I felt I needed it to understand the story.

Sadly, this seems to be the prominent opinion in Hollywood. It always struck me as an odd sentiment, but whatever. At least the Marvel made films aren't going that route.

Sadly, yes.

Yeah, I think the placing of the gatling gun was... unfortunate.

The Cassandra Cain Batgirl series wasn't a HUGE seller, but it had a steady, solid readership.

But that wasn't enough for DC, so they cancelled it and then brought Cass back only to **** all over the character.


(Yeah, you can probably tell I'm still a little bitter. )

These are my main questions.

Are we going to have to go back to Dick Grayson being Robin? Will he be Nightwing from the get-go? If he is, WAS he Robin before? What about Batgirl? Will Barbara Gordon be back? What about Tim and Steph? What about Cassandra Cain? (that would actually be one way to get me onboard with this, if it undid the horrid character assassination they did to Cass)

It really is gonna be a wait and see situation. Though DC, if you wanna get ME onboard, gimme a "Batgirl & Spoiler" ongoing with Cass and Steph. I'll back you all the way.

I don't really have any rage for the film. My feelings toward it are mainly.... apathy.

I just don't care anymore. I know people say to view it as an alternate version of the universe, but that's kinda the problem. I'm usually not interested in those kind of stories.

Now, obviously, any movie is going to be different from it's comic roots. Iron Man differed, Thor differed, Captain America will differ.... but those changes never shifted the characters as much as the ones they're making in X-Men.

Heck, I didn't even bat an eye when Sam Jackson showed up as Nick Fury, and I'm probably one of the biggest 'Ultimates' haters you're likely to come across.

I fully expect this movie to be at least decent, since Matthew Vaughn is a quite competent filmmaker. I just have no desire to see it. And, being an X-Men fan, that DOES make me a little sad.

After all, it worked out great for the Ultimate-verse.



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