Cobra_Man

My Fire/Fire Blaster has /em suicide as an inherent power

Or maybe it just seems that way sometimes.....

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Q: When will City of Heroes Going Rogue launch?

A: When it’s ready. We are not announcing the date at this time.

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Willing to bet its ready to same time as CO or DCU after the failure that was i14 :P

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I14 was not a failure

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It was for some people.

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Personally I think it might have been a good idea to make the Architect a booster pack type purchase. That way those of us who want to tell stories could do at a small fee, but everyone else would have been free to carry on as normal with some nice costume pieces and maybe a dev-created arc or two. It'd also have given them time/money to work out the kinks in the MA/AE system before it went live and they had to do patches on a seemingly daily basis.

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Remember that I13 and I14 were originally a single issue - so alongside MA the devs did plan to deliver a couple of extra arcs alongside it.

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But could the forums have handled the new style PvP and the MA farm problem at the same time? Or would the boards have melted?

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I think the devs have installed a brassneck cover on the servers.

They seem to be impervious to anything said that's critical about MA or PvP now.

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CoF

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I like this thread ... a lot

There are some excellent ideas here, but a lot of them will require an upgrade to the game engine.

Whilst I will be playing CO on release, it would be fantastic if the PS devs came back with a response that will be able to rival CO - and I mean soon ... not 'soon'.

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Everyone is pointing the finger at one another farmers, anti farmers shouting at each other.

We are actually all on the same side if you think about it. The onus is with the devs. Its their game and we play it. We play the content they provided. What they have provided has led to an explosion of new content, player created, some of which people like some of which people hate.

The devs are responsible whether or not they are right or wrong. Irrespective of whether you love farming, dont care or hate it THEY have introduced a devisive update which has split the community.

At least the community which can be bothered to post about it.

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This is the post that delivers clarity to this thread.

If you skimmed it the first time - read it again. Carpenter has hit the nail on the head - yes .. pun intended

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This is fantastic. It's about time. I personally can't wait for CO to come out, so all the farmers and people who have a problem with CoX can go away and leave the rest of us to enjoy our game.

Good work Posi!

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Um ..

I don't think you fully understand what's happening right now.

If this situation isn't rectified very quickly it's possible that there won't be a CoX in 12 months time to play.

The problems that are facing CoX right now are these:

PvE players becoming disillusioned with the direction and lack of development and leaving.

Farmer/PL focused players being targetted by the devs and leaving. Take a look at the split in the community on the US boards over this.

PvP players leaving, due to the drastic changes in PvP. Many are gone already.

New competiton in the shape of CO, which like it or not is going to attract a number of CoX players. What that number will be is impossible to say, but I'm certain that if CO is good many of those will not return to CoX in a hurry.

I can't think of another time that the game has been in such a precarious position.

I think some people need to use perspective here.

Both farming and Pl'ing have been going on for years. Yes the devs have tried to reduce the farms by tweaking certain missions and tinkering with the game mechanics, but that's it really.

Power levelling hasn't been touched by the devs, although they must certainly be aware of it.

The issue here is that this is MA we're talking about. Mission Architect - the new shiny aspect of the game that is intended as a showpiece part of the game.

Hell, it even has a whole issue just for it.

The devs perception of current events is that farming and Pl'ing - whilst using MA - is the problem. Not farming and PL in general.

Both of those activities normally took place well away from new players, or at least the majority of newer players. In order to get on a farm team, or get power levelled you had to ask/plead/beg, or know someone that was doing it.

The thing is I don't know what else the devs expected would happen? You put MA into starter zones, and it's just asking for trouble IMHO.

The cat's well and truly out of the bag now for this game. I think people will continue to use MA as an enhanced levelling medium - far more than they will for purely creative purposes.

They will keep doing this until MA gets nerfed to the point where it's not viable for levelling purposes any more.

It should never have come to this. The current issues were reported in testing and it still came out unchanged.

You can ditch the real world analogies in this situation.

If the game is damaged irreversibly by this, then the devs will have no one but themselves to blame.

In fact rather than suspend accounts or ban players, they should perhaps be looking within instead and taking action against whoever it was that made the bad decision in releasing MA in the form that it was.

Great thread this.

Posi reacts in a way that some of us knew he would, and only now the brown stuff hits the fan from the playerbase.

What the hell did we all expect he was going to do?

A light slap on the wrists? A mild rebuke? A 'please don't do that again'?

He has reacted exactly as I expected him to.

I would expect the devs to reduce all 1 day PL'd level 50's to around level 20. To simply lock that slot is pointless. To delete the toon is a bit harsh, seeing as they have been playing the game.

The winners will be the newbies who would probably not even get close to level 20 in 6 or so hours play.

Players who wrote obvious RCM farms may well have a temp ban, but I think it's more likely that a warning will be given to desist from using MA in that manner.

Will non MA farmers be punished? I don't think so, nor do I think that should. Non MA Pl'ing is another matter. That could also be targetted now, but again I don't think it should.

Just my opinion on this.

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still no in my opinion ,its all part of the game trying out powers/sets its a learning curve on which other people can help with/advise on (ideally vets who have been in that situation before ).
i do see where you are going with this but a veteran reward is for time spent playing !!
he he paying for instant 50's no point as it only takes about 3-4 hours in m/a at the moment !!!

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Well the latest patch is just out, so I don't know if it will still be 3-4 hour 50's now.

I'm about to check it out.

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i see nothing wrong with it, you get the reward, but not the badge....doesn't really spoil anything ether.

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The fact that you can't see what is wrong with this suggestion speaks volumes.

Tell you what, let's take it a step further.

Why don't the devs introduce these as well as instant full vet rewards:

Pay for instant level 50's.

Pay for instant every badge.

Pay for instant fully equipped SG base.

Pay for instant fully kitted out Purple IO character (of your choice naturally)

Let's take it a step further and have the devs bring in a special Uber Multi purchase that gives you everything that the game has to offer.

That way you won't need to play it at all, and you can just pretend that you have.

Sounds good, yes?

Rare salvage prices have indeed fallen sharply.

I've been filling up my vault with it since that happened, in anticipation of a nerf to MA ticket drops.

The Cowardly Tank

I've seen my fair share of those. There's nothing quite as frustrating as a Tank who stands looking at each mob for 2 minutes before deciding to taunt the targetted AoE equipped mobs whilst standing beside the rest of the team

I remember doing an outdoor Nemesis mission with a tank like that. We learned to run away from the tank, as he stood looking at the mobs. The trouble was he kept trying to stand next to us after he used taunt

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Wait, you mean it gets BETTER, not worse in the 20s? I thought it would be typical 1-10 uber, 10-20, - ok, 20-30 meh, 32-40 OK, 40-50, - uber curve. (at least that's how my 2 highest alts (claws/regen and rad/rad) felt.)

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Oh yeah, I mean it starts at "meh" (or "what is all the fuss about?" might be a better phrase) at level 1. At 12 you're a good AOE Blaster but not good at anything else. At 22 it's stupidly good fun and just keeps getting better from then on (well I suppose it plateaus out in the 40s as you don't get too many super new powers but the plateau is so high up and so darn fun you barely notice).

Most of my characters I don't really like the pre-SO levels too much though.

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I don't know Carni.

I recall using my WS in the Hollows from level 5-15. It was an Uber dam dealer even at these levels. I vividly remember being in a large team doing Troll cave missions and absolutely decimating mobs very quickly.

This was years ago, when WS's weren't as common and the comments from the rest of the team were along the lines of 'holy [censored]', 'wow!!!' etc.

Good times they were

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.....yay for free speech............

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Lets not have the "I have the right to say whatever I like on your private forums" argument because it's silly. If you feel Free Speech is being taken away, then there's plenty of places you can Blog and say anything you want.

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Not at all, I was actually complementing this forum, but as you bring it up, as long as we arent being abusive etc, we have the right to say what we want on a private forum for a game that we pay for.....

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And so have the 'farmers' the exact same right to farm MA to its full content, because they pay for it (exploits excluded). If they bother you with spam on joining or filling, report them acording the EULA, all settled.

Circle is complete, end of discussion.

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You're on the wrong track here.

Farmers are not the problem right now, in fact they've never been a problem apart from spam emails and blind invites. If farmers want to farm, then fine.

The problem is the quantum levelling that's happening right now, although to be fair it has been called 'MA farming' as well.

This kind of levelling has the real capacity to devalue the core of the game, however it has to be recognised that being able to effectively bypass levels 1-21 and get to SO's in an hour is something I've seen asked for on these boards before - as a vet reward.

It's not just farmers who are taking advantage of the current situation. It seems everyone is filling their boots.

I've been critical of the current situation, but I've been like that for one particular reason.

It isn't because I had to play hard for my level 50's. It isn't that we'll have level 50's that know next to nothing about the build. It's something far more simple.

When the devs 'fix' the current situation, the game should get back to some sense of normality. The problem is that when this happens will players who have become accustomed to fast levelling be prepared to go back to normal gameplay?

The longer this is left as it is, the harder it will be for people to revert to normal - and that's the problem that our game faces.

I would imagine that this week the issue will be reviewed by the devs. It'll be interesting to see what the response is from the devs - if indeed there is one ....

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I get concerned because the more farming goes on the less teams there are for "ordinary players" and a vicious circle will form (maybe has formed) that would be very hard to break.

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Well said. This is exactly the problem that the game faces.

Farming has always been around, and even if MA was completely removed from the game, farming would still continue as it used to.

As I've said before, apart from getting blind invites to PI farm teams in the past, I had no real issue with farmers. If they want to farm then let them get on with it.

The problem isn't the farming aspect. It's the hyper levelling and specifically the ease that it can be done with MA now.

When that becomes the normal thing to do, this is where the longevity of the game starts to get into real trouble.

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He just wants a sly "PL PL0X". :P
We know yer game son.

Fury

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With MA farming you don't even need to be PL'd. That's part of the problem.

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Wow, you don't read the forums for two days and theres like 2000 new posts, just like the old days....

Any ways,
lower level limit on MA - Yes
lower xp/inf on MA - Yes
Remove AE building from starting zones - Yes

All good ideas, if only some one was reading and taking not.

If only the US side had the same ideas something may get done.

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It'll be interesting to see what the devs do.

Simply removing certain mobs won't be enough. A suitable replacement will simply be used. To heavily nerf the rewards, will certainly stop the MA farmers, but it also affects those who are using MA as it was intended to be used.

Past experience suggests that a heavy nerf is likely, but with MA being a supposed new showpiece part of the game the devs will be wary of going too far with the nerf.

Personally I can see the auto sk facility being removed at the very least. After that, it's all a question of balancing it up I suppose.

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<--- is getting slightly fed up listening to people moan now


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It's falling on deaf ears here..

Fury

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Clearly it isn't, or you wouldn't be posting in this thread.

If you're happy with the state of the game development, then fine - I'm happy for you.

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<--- is getting slightly fed up listening to people moan now

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This... seriously can we not have the moaners keep moaning plz its getting stuiped how the moaners r posting the same thread just in different words....heres something....WE GET IT

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If these threads and posts upset you, then don't read them?

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I would suggest a back to basics approach, and yes I would say to save the game.

Fix MA by whatever means. Seriously nerf or nuke it, I don't mind.

Introduce new (dev created) contacts with (dev created) arcs/missions and new (dev created) mobs.

Revamp some existing zones. There is a wealth of game lore to utilise.

Bring in a new zone, or zones.

Bring in new powersets (proliferation is fine - more please).

Spruce up the radio/newspaper missions to allow for more variety.

Above all ... Get back on track with the plot. The CoX backstory is excellent and should be used to enhance the game.

This is a wonderful game and it deserves to be handled with respect.

Now is the time to start doing that.

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Like half of those are confirmed as things they're doing

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Yes, maybe they will bring them all in.

Soon ....

Bye FFM

Might see you in CO.

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That's true, it does make farming very easy - but you already know that, and so does... probably everyone reading this thread. So why put yourself through doing something you dislike, probably deepening your dissatisfaction with the game, rather than getting on with canon story arcs?

Not that I want to tell people how to play - which is, after all, a fairly big part of the farming vs. MA vs. canon vs. whatever issue... it just strikes me as very odd. But if masochism's your thing, go for it.

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Well, see I've never farmed before. If I'm going to be critical of something, I should at least make the effort to see exactly what's wrong.

My intent is to get it to 50 and delete it.

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See - that's more like it. Makes me all warm and fuzzy for weekends of time past...



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Like a big International server merger duvet?


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Or at least dump the localizing and give us one big international server list.

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Yes please

+1 to merging.

Merging with the US servers that is.