ClawsandEffect

No, what I mean is: EVERYTHING is in German and French. Contacts, clues, mission dialog, everything. If you don't speak those languages you won't have any idea what the hell is going on in the game. You and I could probably stumble through it because we've been through the game multiple times already. What about a new player that happens to choose Vigilance....and doesn't speak French? They'd be completely lost.

The fact that you can't understand the people playing pales in comparison when you can't understand the game itself.

Well, the biggest example of jerkish behavior I've personally seen was just eliminated entirely by being made impossible.

Using TP Foe to pull someone out of the Siren's Call hospital with a sliver of health is borderline jerkish.

Doing it over and over because you think it's funny is definitely being a jerk. Especially if it's done in order to prevent the person from leaving the zone. You can't leave if you keep getting teleported before you can get out of the hospital, and you couldn't even just stay dead until they got bored and left because of the auto-respawn feature that they added for some reason. I've had that happen to me, and logging out was the only way I could get out of the situation.

People who do things like THAT are the undesirables I was talking about. The people who just like to PvP are not. I never said all PvPers are jerks, because I know from my own experience that it isn't true.

I don't mind losing a PvP fight. It happens frequently, and I don't get bent out of shape about it. If they threw something at me I wasn't expecting I might even ask some questions about their build. If it was an especially good fight that I lost I'll make sure to give them props on it.

I have no problem with losing at PvP. If I keep coming back when I get smoked....well, I was asking for it wasn't I? The problem I had was with people being ***holes until someone logs out because they had no other way to get out of the situation.

You want to be an Incarnate of my Thugs/Dark MM? His name is Cult of Personality.

I skipped Slice on my BS scrapper as well (mine's Dark Armor). It's not a bad attack, but in order to do what I wanted to do with the build something had to go to make room, and Slice got the axe. Guessing Umbral's reasoning on it is probably the same.

Really?

Their stated goal boiled down to "Make PvP more fun for non-PvPers"

One of the biggest complaints about PvP from non-PvPers wasn't the way the powers worked, or even that certain ATs were at a disadvantage. The biggest complaint was people being jerks in the zones.

If that was the thing making PvP not fun for non-Pvers, how do you resolve the issue? Easy.....get rid of the jerks.

But....they're not breaking any rules that you could ban them for, and they aren't really cheating, they're just being jerks. The only way to get rid of them is to convince them to leave on their own. Completely changing the way PvP works is really the only way they can do that without tipping their hand.

The only catch to my theory is: It is completely impossible to prove or disprove any of it. If that IS what the devs are doing, they're hardly going to come out and say so. And if it isn't what they're doing, no amount of theorizing will make it true.

Just food for thought.

You WANT Chain Induction. Your single target chain is pretty pathetic without it, and in a big group it will jump all over the place and add to AoE output (Disclaimer: If it actually kills anything the chain stops there, so if you drop your main target with it, it won't chain at all)

Lightning Clap is probably the most universally skipped power in Electric, along with Confront. It stuns them and sends everything flying, forcing it all out of your damage boost aura. This is a bad thing.

Grant Cover's benefit is that it has a lot of your defense debuff resistance. Your teammates need to be right on top of you to get any defense from it.

If you've ever played SR, you should know that any defense-based set is pretty squishy until you get SOs. If you heavily IO a Shield Defense scrapper it becomes one of the most beastly secondaries currently in the game.

How sure are you on what the devs actually wanted, and what is really going on?

I know a number of bar owners. From talking with them I found out what they do to get rid of people they don't want in their bar, for whatever reason, usually because those people cause problems and make their other patrons uncomfortable.

They can't just kick them all out, because most of the time they didn't actually do anything wrong. But their presence is giving the bar a reputation of being an unpleasant place to spend time.

So what they do is change things about the bar to make those people not want to hang out there anymore. If they know those people prefer rap music, they change the jukebox to nothing but country and classic rock. If they know they like a certain brand or beer or liquor, they either stop selling it, or jack the prices up on it. All in the interest of getting the people they would rather not have there to go somewhere else.

Again, they can't just kick them out, or refuse them entrance, because it is a public establishment, and the people are paying customers. But they CAN make their establishment less attractive to the people that make their other customers uncomfortable.

Maybe the devs are doing the same thing.

The best way I can explain it is like this (warning, analogy follows):

Someone who took part in a particular military campaign, such as Desert Storm, are usually given a medal or ribbon signifying that they were there and contributed to that effort.

Would it be fair for a new Army recruit to be able to BUY a ribbon that says he was part of Desert Storm, even though he wasn't there, and it is entirely possible that he hadn't even been born yet?

Veteran Rewards are the same way. They are basically a ribbon you get to wear that says you were there. The people who get the cool, long time subscribed badges and goodies are being thanked for being here when the game was struggling to get a foothold in the MMO market. The people who have been here for 5+ years get cool stuff, because without them, the game would probably not exist.

The 60+ month rewards are the dev team's way of saying "Thank you for believing in this game enough to keep subscribing as long as you have"

Allowing anyone who wants them to buy those rewards would be a disservice to the people who kept the game alive in order for us to be able to play it now.

Nope. It's a mag FIFTY stun. It will stun anything in range of it that doesn't have a crapton of Clear Mind (or similar) stacked on it. It's every bit as nasty as Ghost Widow's hold.

(It is pretty much identical in effect to the power Soul Transfer from Dark Armor, and the Warshade power I can never remember the name of)

He'd also get genericced in a flash for his name being both a trademarked character AND a drug reference.

If Kevin Smith plays I can pretty much guarantee he's not playing as Bluntman. Or if he WAS, he's not anymore

It's actually Memphis Bill's copy/paste.

It is a horrible idea, and will remain so until the game's overall population dwindles enough to make it a reasonable decision.

As it stands, there are enough people on every single server to justify keeping them all active.

Would YOU start playing a game if you saw on a news release that it just closed down half it's servers? I wouldn't. I see that and I figure the game is in trouble and won't be around much longer, meaning I would be wasting my money buying it. Anyone looking at it from the outside would likely think much the same thing.

As far as finding teams is concerned:

I play on Pinnacle, which is one of the least populated servers, and I have zero issue finding a team when I want one. The copy/paste already covered it, but I'll repeat it here: Standing around and spamming broadcast with LFT messages is the WORST way to find a team in the game. Find your server's global channels and it will be a lot easier.

Also, I have hardware issues which legitimately and physically prevent me from playing on higher population servers. If every server were as populated as Freedom and Virtue I would literally be unable to play the game at all due to crippling lag issues.

And don't say "buy a new computer". I have a mortgage, 2 car payments, and a slew of other bills I have to pay each month. I'm lucky I can afford $15 to keep my subscription active, so buying a new computer just to be able to play a video game is NOT an option.

A server merge would actually LOWER the population, as people in my situation find themselves not able to even log on because zone activity is just overwhelming their computer's processor.

There are WAY more legitimate reasons against a server merge than there are in favor of it. Until that balance changes, it isn't going to happen.

If I recall correctly, a dev said that there are no plans to merge servers. And it was said not all that long ago.

Besides, merging servers right before the biggest addition to the game since City of Villains would be a colossally stupid move on the dev team's part, for all of the aforementioned reasons.

Because they don't know how to find out someone's global name based on their local name?

I'm not going to mention how here, just in case one of them happens to browse the forums.

It really sucks that you have to be careful what you post for fear of spammers finding it I don't want to be responsible for a flood of global name emails, so I'm keeping my mouth shut about it .

That really begs the question:

If you're THAT unhappy with how they run the game, why are you STILL giving them money every month?

They treat you like ****, yet you still fork over your $15 so you can be treated like **** some more?

I'm sorry, but that makes ZERO sense. If you're that unhappy with how the developer team treats you, stop giving them your money and go somewhere else.

You treat them like crap and say: "Fix these problems"......and they don't.

They treat you like crap and say: "Give us money".......and you fork it right over.

Obviously, they're winning.

Thanks for the correction there. I didn't remember exactly when it was, but I knew it wasn't always like that.


I guess I'm done here. Go ahead and insult the devs every chance you get. And complain that they're still ignoring you. I guess the two can't possibly be related after all.

I'll stop trying to convince you that being jerks toward the people that you want to do things for you is hurting your cause.

Yes, in fact I DID say that. And I still stand by it.

I never once in this thread said that PvPers weren't right to be pissed.

All I said is that being insulting toward the people who can change the things you're pissed about isn't helping your cause any.

The thing they JUST did in i17 was make it so you respawn in the hospital with full health and endurance. Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't that an i13 change that they reversed?

I'd say that's a step in the right direction.

Saying "Screw the devs, they're lazy and incompetent and never listen anyway" isn't achieving anything at all. In fact, it's probably making it more difficult to get them to listen to you.

You can keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about all you want. It won't change the fact that giving the devs crap is accomplishing nothing.

And if you disagree with that, find one positive thing that was achieved by insulting the dev team.

QoL changes are easier to FIND than the cause of a bug?

Bugs are weird. A minor tweak to a completely unrelated power could be causing the problems you mention here. The only way to find it is to either A) search every single line of code in the game until you find it, or B) get lucky and stumble across it while you're doing something else.

Compared to that, QoL additions are easy to do.





It's not so much that the community has given up as it is the few reasonable members of it have. Now all the devs hear, for the most part, is insults and bile.

If you want to blame someone, blame the members of the PvP community that are giving the whole thing a bad name.

I've had a couple well thought out responses to my remarks in this thread. Which is FAR more than I was expecting. I was expecting every response to be full of the kind of crap Borderline Boss spewed at me. Because, even though I am well aware that not everyone is like that, that is the behavior I've come to expect from PvPers. Now imagine the reaction of people whose ONLY interaction with a PvPer was like that. They probably aren't going to think very highly of the community as a whole, because they have no reason not to believe that person isn't representative of everyone. It's like viewing the Westboro Baptis Church as being representative of all of Christianity.

Simply put, until you stop allowing the idiots to determine how the PvP community is perceived by posting rude, poorly spelled, mean-sprited things in every thread remotely related to PvP, the PvP community will continue to be ignored. I mean, I know you can't control what people post, but one of them posts in a thread about PvP (that ISN'T in this section), and no one bothers to contradict them, leaving the impression that that one jacktard speaks for the entire community.

Believe me, I'd LOVE for the devs to pay attention to the people who like PvP and can make a good case for it. But as long as they think PvPers are just a bunch of childish, selfish jerks who only want an excuse to be exactly that, it's unlikely to happen.

I have more of a clue than you think I do. I bolded the part that is exactly my point.

About 3 people being reasonable. The rest of them were all saying stuff like this:

That's what the rest of the playerbase, and to some extent probably the devs, think ALL PvPers are like. If you thought ALL of a particular group was like that, would YOU give a damn what they had to say?

Did my remarks justify my name being ridiculed and being told to get cancer? Not even a little. But THAT is the face of the PvP community. The small number of reasonable people (I include you and macskull in that group, I have no issue with either of you) are just drowned out by the chorus of rude, mean-spirited people that seem to think spewing insults is how you relate to other people.

3 people being reasonable are not going to make a difference when they are standing in a crowd that is screaming insults and throwing rocks. They are going to be ignored right along with the people that deserve to be.

Go read the thread titled "PvP and Badge hunting just don't mix". I was firmly on the PvPers side throughout the entire thread, and I caught a lot of crap for it.

All I'm saying is, if you want to see change happen, letting people like Borderline Boss represent the PvP community to the rest of the playerbase and devs isn't the way to get it done.

Look at what they changed in i17. Healed back to full on respawn and can no longer be teleported out of the hospital recovery room. I happen to be happy about both of those things, since the second was why I didn't like going to Siren's Call. They're clearly listening to SOMEONE. And that someone was probably reasonable and courteous about it.

If Borderline Boss had asked for it, with the attitude he displayed in this thread toward me, do you think it would have happened? Probably not.

If you allow the perception of the PvP community to be that of a group of people who spew insults with little or no provocation, and have no regard for anyone else, then it will continue to be ignored. 3 people being reasonable about it is not enough.