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Decent attacks on the cones but take time to set up and a long time to cast.

You can hit footstomp, ball lightning, elec fences and KO blow in the time it would take to cast School of sharks, bile spray and arctic breath. Not to mention the time it takes to make sure the 30 degree cones hit everything.

Time not attacking or lining up cones is time not gaining fury.

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This is true in PvE. The main reason [u]most[u] brutes take mako patron is for pvP which is to the answer of the OP. Spirit Shark is a hard hitting pvp attack and it does KB and heavy Lethal damage and DoT. Its higher in pvP because in i13 they changed the rules were powers do more damage based on animation times. Spirit shark was lowered a little bit but is still a hard hitting attack. Since your thread is about Mako Patron I am trying to stay on topic as to why people take it. The answer is simple PVP. If you PvP this is the set for you. If you don't PvP then other patron powers would be better depending on what your looking for. Artic Breath is a good slow but it counters what you want as a brute I think.. To build fury you want to be attacked if you slow them your kinda play against that.. Then again its all on play style..

I have it on my retired pvp now PvE EM/Electric brute since I lack AoE (Footstomp, Fault, tremor) and a heal in the set. Using the slow will allow me to be able to use Aid self. So there are ways to use it in pve depending on play style.

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Somebody went and checked out how much charged bolts does now, and compared it to the 181 it's supposed to do after the fix. It ends up being roughly 20%, apparently.

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Beacuse sunstorm threw a curveball in there and listed one dom power and one blaster power. I fell for it as well, on live the dom version is doing more than the blaster version.

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Sneaky thanks for the clarification

To the OP Mako patron is very popular amoung PvPers. Sharks in pvp cause a lot of damage, in mids click the PVP mode button and see the damage it does VS PvE version.

If you don't pvp then the other patrons are prolly better.

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if it wouldn't be from Zulu i could think it was another joke post like from Curious Observer clone...

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This^

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castle screwed up with psi bad. Like hey let's nerf it so people don't play it. Really good developer logic. I wish someone a bit more experienced...

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I have no idea why your basing ONE power nerf amoung the whole set.. All the ST attacks got buffed and are gold in one on one attacks and good in pvp. I can live with the Teir 9 change now that it hits 16 people instead of 10. Psy Drain was not changed so survivability is still there..

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Yes, sorry all, this is a bug. Before the changes, Dom's had a slightly higher then normal PVP damage bonus. This was to compensate for the low damage outside of domination, and the domination damage bonus being perma with heavy set bonus slotting.

Since the changes permanently apply the damage bonus and add a little extra, dom's are now doing much more then intended damage.

The damage will be brought a bit more in line with other AT's. Should look more like this after slotting:

Charged Bolts after changes: 181 damage at lvl 50
Charged Bolts for Blasters: 191 damage at lvl 50

Wanted to give everyone a heads up so no one gets attached to it and keep it from becoming an unpleasant suprise.

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No idea where the hell folks are getting 20% from O.o

Has anyone here tried it yet?

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I had hit him with the MM temp power before he went unbreakable and it didn't stop him from doing it.

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From Castle
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....v=#Post13705303

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The Power of Black Scorpion Click power given to Masterminds *is* broken. A fix is in the pipeline; not sure when it will reach live.

How it broke:
Basically, just before the deadline, I completely rebuilt the power to do something different from what it had done before. The previous version had always been problematic and it just wasn't working out, so I replaced it with something more reliable at the 11th hour. Unfortunately, there was an error in my testing process and I failed to detect that, unless you had Dev Tools enabled, the power simply wouldn't actually trigger on Reichsman. So, you can use the power on him all day...and the attributes simply don't process.

This was caught just before launch, and I fixed it, but the fix had not gotten through the production process in time.



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We've discovered having a Stalker on the team helps the last mission immensely - they're the only ones that can get into the "kill rooms" without dying, and then trigger the glowies to kill the ambushes.

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What temp power do SoA's get? Just a curiosity, because couldn't an SoA be able to stealth past the lasers with help from Mako's temp?

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Here is what they all get just to throw it out there. Just note that the MM temp is bugged currently.

Stalkers get Makos Temp so they can sneak past the lasers to activate fail saves which kill all the 5th column ambushes. NOTE: There are only 4 fail saves.

Brutes (and VEATs) get Ghost Widows Temp power that shuts off Reischmans debuff aura (purple swirly thing) OR protects from the debuff aura.

Dominators get Scirroccos Temp that is a hold for the 5th Column ambushes.

Corruptors get Scirroccos Temp that kills all the held 5th Column ambushes (both regular holds and Dominators version of Scirroccos Temp).

Masterminds get Black Scorpions Temp that allows to knock Reichsman out of Unbreakable mode OR prevent him from going to Unbreakable mode OR kill his regen while in Unbreakable mode. (Currently bugged)

Zulu! that sounds fun!

Well here is some food for thought..

Get Aid Self, when you use Power Boost at the same time it will double your heal.

Or you can go with Hibernation.. if you have end issues you can go with Scricco..

Is this Build for just pvE? or pvP?

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I would agree with the above. Brutes are not tanks. I see so many people who think Brutes should tank and in some situations they can but what they are best at is Endless Fury based destruction and mayhem.

Each Melee AT has slight differences while similar in a lot of ways. Scrappers play differently too, yes you can play them like Brutes but they do not have the ugency of Fury.

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Not to side track this thread any further but what AT redside do you think is best to soak the damage for the team? I dont see any other ATs with Taunt implemented into their build.

Tell me that Masterminds and VEATs are better suited for the job.

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Scrappers have taunt are they tanks too?

MasterMinds can tank since they have body guard mode which allows them to take alpha. Those that know how to use it, can attest to that.

Also a side note* Statesman made the comment that many old school forum dwellers remember that when CoV was implemented that in his words MM's were the Tanker version of CoV meanwhile comparing brutes to Scrappers. So that is where it all orginated from.

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Besides Fiery embrace, What does FA bring to the table that is better than invuln?


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Um healing flames is up in under 15 seconds?
Fiery Embrace + Rage =together get the most up front damage bonus.

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So here is a question, folks say that Corruptor /Traps and MM /Traps got posion Trap nerfed.. does this also include the /posion version for MM's? They get that power at 35 but I never got it to work right and respected out of it. I was able to use all the other debuff's /posion offered but was wondering did that nerf affect the /posion version of this power too?

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Nevermind I answered my own question they are different

Corruptor-MM trap version

Poison MM version

So here is a question, folks say that Corruptor /Traps and MM /Traps got posion Trap nerfed.. does this also include the /posion version for MM's? They get that power at 35 but I never got it to work right and respected out of it. I was able to use all the other debuff's /posion offered but was wondering did that nerf affect the /posion version of this power too?

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Yeah, that's entirely true, but I don't really think of it as a cute power. Build Up is part of the damage suite. Energy doesn't have it because energy doesn't need it.

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Also note that with power boost you can also take PFF and Aid Self which reminds me of the good old blaster days (I have not played mine in a while)

back to your question:
I have both Mind/nrg and Fire/electric.. to me the Mind/nrg is much more survivable and has a ton of damage behind it.

/electric needs Build up now that domination does not offer a damage buff. The ranged attacks to more damage now, but the melee factor is weaker than before (even though your end is lower and recharge is faster)

/Energy having 3 HIGH damage (Power blast, power push, power burst) 1 Moderate (Power bolt) 1 Extreme (Snipe) ranged attacks is hard to beat out! then factor in HIGH damage Bone Smasher and Extreme Total Focus.. THEN Power Boost, its hard to really pass up /Energy now it provides a lot of Burst damage.

My Fire/electric is good too (but note I also have Imps) but to compare /nrg to /electric without factoring in the primary. Again, /Electric is NOT shabby either its pretty strong. I just preffer /Energy.

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This is where i came to the conclusion that if u took away the resistance debuff/buff pvp and kept everything else, pvp would be more enjoyable for me.

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I think that is more what you meant to say.

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Umm no. I think he meant to say this:

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OMG NOOO I got PAWNED by a SQUISHY!! Someone better fix it so it doesn't happen again!


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I think that was more in line with what happend since we are all assuming

Are you saying Blasters should get Rage and KO?

PB does not affect KB mag in pvp.

QQ more please

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I was on a team with Gad...

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Well, there's your problem right there.

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LOL Gad and I completed this SF 2 days ago We love you Gad

Here is a decent build.. should work as a good starting point and its not too expensive.

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well since /traps has a -res tool would Sonic/ be a good fit for it synergy wise?

I can try to make it, depends how fast I get home that day.

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Does a new dom do more damage normally than the old dom+buff did? (if that makes sense )

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