ChristopherRobin
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Quote:Oooh is it buttered Popcorn?Originally Posted by VexXxa
Easy.Quote:Originally Posted by Scootertwo
Okay out of courtesy I didn't cut snippets of your post out to highlight what I was commeting on but I guess I'm going to have to.
How can she have even a bad hold of it when she's not touching it? I wasn't even making a comment about whether or not she was gonna hit the girl.
The two statements are not mutually exclusive. If I am standing over a barrel with my fingers near it but not touching it then it can be truthfully said that I don't have a good handle on it.
But what I was talking about was it appears to me that you were contesting something where I had just agreed with you. Like you might've missed the "not" in the sentence.
Lol it depends on how you define it... Obvious to Christopher Robin can haz only be meh!Quote:Originally Posted by Scootertwo
You aren't the only one who can have OCR.
Haha well I can almost guarantee she didn't straighten her upper body, lock her left knee, splay her fingers and flex her biceps.Quote:Originally Posted by Scootertwo
Really so there's no way possible that it could be something else.
Then I wonder what the girl in the bottom of this pic looked like just moments after the photo was taken.
I would have to disagree neither of these poses are the same or come close to what is in your piece. It's apples to oranges. The girl has her knee bent which gives mobility yours is locked. She has lowered her center of gravity by doubling over and put her hands low to the ground to get the ball but also she can brace herself if she were to slip. Her fingers are not splayed out and most importantly she is not flexing hard and facing with her back to the object being propelled at her (all of which your pose does).Quote:Originally Posted by Scootertwo
or this guy
Now imagine the ball is more to his right and he has to shift his weight that direction to catch the ball. They aren't the same exact pose but close enough to shoot holes in your theory.
Had you used her pose in your piece instead I would not have "read" body building at all.
Same with the ball player. Low center of gravity, not flexing, clearly facing the object propelled at him etc etc.
You're correct here in you didn't say what happened after the catch... I don't see how this refutes "this is bodybuilders pose" though?Quote:Originally Posted by Scootertwo
I never said that MI didn't fall over after the catch...the point was she made the catch, protecting the little girl.
Those being?Quote:Originally Posted by Scootertwo
In your opinion, I'm not saying it doesn't look like that, it clearly does. I'm just saying there are other possiblities.
You snipped my quote a bit too short here Scooter... when I said "You have to very slowly lower yourself into this position and hold your balance while you flex and then either rise back up slowly or, more easily, continue down to the floor and go into the rest of your ground routine" I am I think pretty clearly describing a bodybuilder executing this maneuver during a routine and not someone catching a barrel.Quote:Originally Posted by Scootertwo
No you don't have lower yourself slowly if it's not your intention to stay upright. Trust me as I said I spent time in my back yard attempting to mimic this on my own, I fell over every time.
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See above comments about falling over.
Well it's maybe the 2nd or third smartest thing I said.Quote:Originally Posted by Scootertwo
Smartest thing you said in your critique.
I have, I even have them committed to memory
I appreciate technical critiques and they are not meant personallyI do on a regular basis.
Honestly, now that you pointed it out I can't not see the body building pose.
If you have then great and kudos if you actually are trying out poses in your backyard that shows some dedication... who did you get to hurl the barrels at you though?
Yeah, that is how it was for me when I first looked at your piece it was so clear that I couldn't "not see it."... others may miss it but it was OCR
Indeed I do. I welcome discourse. Btw the word you are searching for is Critic... it's from the Greek "kritikos" meaning "able to discern."Quote:Originally Posted by Scootertwo
Just as I expect and want to get critiques on anything I do, as a critiquer(?) you should expect your critiques to be critiqued.
Honestly Scooter, no friggin' way buddy.Quote:Originally Posted by Scootertwo
I appreciate the constructive criticism from a technical stand point. Maybe it would have been received better if you had said:
"It looks likes she's doing a body building pose." (image of bodybuilder)
"If you don't want it to look like that maybe change the angles of her legs like this."
It's takes enough time as it is to really study a piece and give meaningful con/crit... if I had to go through and think how each individual artist would like me to couch my phrases when addressing them I wouldn't even bother...
My critique (as it reads to me) encompasses the piece as a whole, addresses specific details, is positive in tone, tells what I liked about the piece as well as what I didn't (both sides), is constructive (I gave several suggestions in how it might be improved), is carefully worded as it is, has picture references to back up what I am saying and it ended on a positive note of encouragement.
You see it differently that's fine by me *shrug* no hard feelings, I will spend my time elsewhere.
I have too many requests as it is. :-/
I am not a digital artist Scooter. I do not own a tablet and no I am not going to attempt a red-lining with a trackball.Quote:Originally Posted by Scootertwo
(image with red lines over it with the changes you would do.)
Approach determines response.
I look forward reading more critiques from you, in fact from other artists as well. Clutch PM'd me a website that does just that I think might go check it out.
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Quote:Originally Posted by ChristopherRobinThe Pose:
Here is where it breaks down somewhat in my opinion. It does not look to me like Ms. Impossible is going to
strike the child with the barrel because it is behind her head and she doesn't have a good hold of it..Lol, No you stop Scooter.Quote:Originally Posted by Scootertwo
Stop right there for a second.
1. the barrel isn't even to Miss Impossible (MI) yet, infact it's still in motion.
You've got it backwards... read what I am actually saying... not what you think I am saying.
"It does --> not <-- look to me like Ms. Impossible is going to strike the child with the barrel"
Quote:Originally Posted by Christopher Robin...however what I do see when I stand back and look at the piece is Professional Female Body Building Tournament.
Her pose is a half split, double bicep front, with leg extended
which is a classic pose used during competitions... it's essentially this.Ugh.Quote:Originally Posted by Scootertwo2. I hadn't even seen anything like that. Or if I did i don't remember it. so assuming that I did is your mistake not mine.
Ok Scooter I will say it as plainly as I can. I am assuming nothing here, I am telling you what I see when I look at your piece which is not limited by your knowledge of bodybuilding (or lack thereof), and I am making no mistake.
That is a competitive flexing pose whether you intend it to be or not.
Look at it for a minute. The lead leg is bent at a severe angle with the knee over extended way beyond the foot that is supporting it (up on the toes no less) and the trailing leg is elongated with the knee completely locked so it cannot move.
This is definitely NOT a "turned on the juice" pose indicating speed. You have to very slowly lower yourself into this position and hold your balance while you flex and then either rise back up slowly or, more easily, continue down to the floor and go into the rest of your ground routine.
While this position does give good lateral (side to side) stability any little bump from the front or behind (much less a barrel) and you will fall... try it out if you are unsure.
Having your joints locked or over extended makes for a terrible defensive position but it's great for showing muscle separation to the judges. See what I am saying?
Look, in my opinion, you have been given some excellent advice and good critiques by some very talented people both on here and DA, you should go back and read them all 5x (even if it is unpleasant to you) and really absorb what they are saying... then study your pieces and ask "are they right?"
By not taking the time to correctly read and understand their words I think honestly you are the one making the mistake my friend.
Cheers.
P.S. If you are not ready for or do not wish any more con/crit it's cool just let me know in a PM.
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Not bad Scooter.
Overall:
For me what I liked is the color and some of the little details you put in.
The mesh on the fence and the depth of field blur (may need some tweaking so it's more gradual) are nice touches.
I also like that I can clearly recognize the costume pieces like the belt, the boots and the chest emblem from the CC.
The Pose:
Here is where it breaks down somewhat in my opinion. It does not look to me like Ms. Impossible is going to
strike the child with the barrel because it is behind her head and she doesn't have a good hold of it...
however what I do see when I stand back and look at the piece is Professional Female Body Building Tournament.
Her pose is a half split, double bicep front, with leg extended
which is a classic pose used during competitions... it's essentially this.
Everything right down to the finger splaying
reads as "posedown in progress" rather
than "defend child from a hurled object."
While female bodybuilding can be a good source for reference pics of strong women
you shouldn't copy the poses exactly or it will show. Don't shy away from changing
stuff up a bit to make it better fit the look you are trying to achieve.
I would think unless Ms. Impossible was supremely confident she could
deflect the barrel without even seeing it coming that she would be facing
the threat she is intending to stop instead of facing the child.
That would put her back to us and would read as more protective since she
would also appear to be "defending the viewer" from the incoming object as well.
Also you could get some really nice dramatic effect by casting the shadow
of the incoming barrel across the little girl to show it would indeed
strike her were it not for the save from Ms. Impossible.
All around a good effort, keep at it Scooter.
P.S. I agree with Caemgen on the story bit. You will know you're onto something
good when your images "read" correctly to people with little or no input from you.
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Well in addition to the above, "needed translated" should be "needed translation" or translating, writting should be writing, recieving --> receiving cuz I before E except after C and...
Oh you probably wanted opinions on the content not spell checking... right, well it's orange () and that's always a good thing when you're going to...
ummm yeah I'll agree with what has be been said so far... you either need to simplify it down to the bare minimum that still reads correctly
or you should really flesh it out and try to answer as many "questions," that might occur to someone reading it, as you can.
It would help if you said what this is for. In game BIO where you are capped? Full backstory you want to write? RP?
Quote:Originally Posted by EnnVee
I recently started a sonic/energy blaster and I wrote up a Bio for her, I am looking for critiques and opinions on this new Bio.
A piece of parchment that Veritas had since she was a child held a scripture that needed translated. Veritas took it to the monistary of the prophets high in the mountains. This is what it reads.
"From the ashes will arise a pure and virtuous Angel wearing a crown of fire upon her head and carrying a bright white star in her hands. She will speak with the voice of thunder, and will be feared by both man and demon alike."
As Veritas heard these words she began to understand her destiny, she was this angel the prophets spoke about. Nervous of what they may do if they knew who she was, she quickly fled the monistary. For months she wondered, until she found herself in Paragon City. With so many other "gifted" beings here she decided to master her powers and reach full potential before returning to the prophets and announcing her true identity.
I hope to expand my writting style by recieving your advice. -
Quote:Sale on pink shoes?Originally Posted by The_Foo
Today's DAD and also an overdue commission.
Kaemgen's Daybreaker Alpha has seen better days!
Psygon's broken Day
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Congratz Jk.
Another collector is born.
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Not even gonna ask how you know this stuff Caemgen.
Very cool asymmetrical look and I'm liking the guns too.
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Uh oh... Is it too late to take it back?
*runs and hides heroes from Foo's vengeful tablet*
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And so it begins lol.
Gratz on the two you have received so far, they are very well done.
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Cintiq if you can afford it.
Amazon has a decent price but they are expensive pretty much everywhere you look. -
Not to worry I initiated PM's with BW early this morning and we are sorting it out that way.
@Foo:
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Outstanding Pyro!
Glad to hear it buddy, I was really pulling for ya.
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Yep it is Dominatrix, the Praetorian Earth's counterpart to Ms. Liberty.
Her "evil twin" so to speak... so in a way she is spanking herself.
*notices that the red panties on the floor do not belong to Ms. Liberty*
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Checks calendar... Holy heck man way to set the bar for February... while it's still January.
This has got to be the record for earliest accepted submission heh. -
@ Hallowed: You mention several pieces but it doesn't sound like you actually declared a vote for one.
Are you voting for Pyro?
If so, please be clear so it he gets the vote.
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Quote:Hmmmm that might make me an even more gifted, shall we say, cunning linguist.Originally Posted by Lousy_Day
Oh you want your tongue to look like Cai's avatar, CR?
Scooter, you get to brag that we both represent Victory (although I have been pvping a lot on Freedom lately. Bad devs for giving us free server transfers instead of making pvp zones global. They killed pvp on other servers with that move, and I think it was intentional. At least our penguins are popular in Sirens on Freedom now...)
And may I just say it is a well deserved landslide. You truly had an excellent piece this month.
*salutes LD and goes off to study more pinup/romantic themes*
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Quote:Two way street brother.
Honestly? Because you can't restrain yourself.
You are belaboring a meaningless point here. The size of the post is irrelevant and you know this as well as I do.Quote:...A little tiny post. It was just a few sentences. It was an itty-bitty teeny weeny little post. Go back and look at it. It's small!
Someone clever enough need only post a single poorly chosen word to provoke a response.
Not cool BW.Quote:And don't respond... !
I will respectfully agree to disagree with you but I only said I had moved on to pinups... I never forcibly told you what you can or cannot do.
Seriously, this isn't even a "don't bother responding because I won't read it" suggestion. You are giving me an order here.
To which I say... no.
Not cool.
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Welcome.
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I'd say welcome back but I'm pretty new to the forums in general (since Sept) and really haven't really gone much outside the art section since arriving, so I don't know anyone around here but speaking for myself I will say welcome.
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That is some of the smoothest rendering I have seen you do Foo. I really like the pose and the "heart of flame" works great with the font and text you chose too. Great job.
I can only guess the fire being strategically "in front" is your way of confounding the viewer and keeping them from seeing her lady bits.
I wouldn't worry about treading on Cutey Honey as your hero doesn't resemble any of the forms she changes into and Honey Flash is more of a battlecry and part of the theme song. -
Quote:...and I would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for you meddling kids... and that stranger with the orange text that notices stuff.Originally Posted by PowerStream
Cool stuff!
side note - CR your uncanny ability to notice the smallest details is well.... uncanny! I had to go back 3 times to figure out where CDs even came into the picture much less Final Fantasy 2. Don't fret people! It's in there!
Cool Stuff!
Someday's it's a blessing and some days you notice stuff you'd rather not have seen haha. I've not heard it called uncanny before (nice vocabulary PS)... makes it sound all X-men and stuffz.
Except I'm taller, better looking and I'd totally be nailing that cute blond assistant that follows him around.Quote:Originally Posted by Caemgen
From here on out I am going to refer to him as Mr. Monk
Okay maybe I need to actually watch more than just a few episodes of Monk to get that reference?Quote:Originally Posted by DarkEther
I'm tired of him touching my antennae.
Oh man you called it, this would be tough to beat for the costume contest they hold. Especially if he could rig up some glowing red eyes inside the helm.Quote:Originally Posted by the_fox_Rox
Very impressive. Is this just for fun or am i looking at herocon competition?
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I went and supported Caemgen's and Scooters posts (and may or may not have stuck my tongue out at Lousy Day in passing) and also posted up on Liberty Server.
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LD your piece was certainly a huge kick in the pants to the other contestants (and may be just what the contest needed). Way to bring it!
Flip side of the coin...
You totally stink! My pencil will not go down without a fight!
**goes off to "up" his game**
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No, sadly it is not a farting contest (I know right?) but it is a year long fan art contest. FArt = Fan Art - get it?
This is the third year now and there is a really wide range of talent, from pencils to markers, from digital art to graphic design (heck we almost has a sculptor) and 17 different artists submitted pieces this time around, which I believe is the new record (and enough to keep the contest going all year).
Everyone with an active game account is eligible to vote this year, so go spread the word your peeps in the 606 (the Artz forum) need your votes.
Brief rundown of how it works.
This is an elimination style event where each artist must submit a piece every month, before the deadline, based on the theme chosen by our serving FArt Master or Mistress to remain in the contest. Then once the deadline has passed a new thread will open which will clearly be marked with the word "VOTE" where you guys get to go choose your favorites.
Person with the most votes wins Immunity from elimination for the following month.
Person with the fewest votes gets kicked off the island... err forum. Okay not really... but they are like out of the competition and stuffz.
The January "VOTE" thread is already live so head on over and show your support for the artists... and oh yeah before I forget this years "special" bonus qualification is the "Hot Chick Rule."
Every piece, submitted every month, by every artist must have a "hot chick" in it somewhere. How that is interpreted is entirely up to the artist.
January's theme was the Olympics. (Vote now for your favorite!)
February's theme will be "Love is in the air/Pinups"
***A quick heads up (as you probably guessed from the above line) this is art and while January was totally G rated, kid friendly and "safe for work" some months may be more "R" rated.
All the necessary precautions have been taken and there will be no direct links (two click rule is effect) from these forums to pieces that depict nudity.
But for those that do have children or want to follow along from work just know that some months there will be some decidedly NSFW images.***