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Quote:That guy needs to **** off. Insulting "movie audiences" is not the way to earn fans. Especially when he later says he had intended to see "Piranha 3D."Just watched an interesting little video from Distressed Watcher.
Top 5 Reasons Scott Pilgrim Flopped
Quote:Didn't see the ending (of the game) coming. Amused by it. Would not be surprised if that's how the comic ended.
Quote:I saw it twice last week...I'm thinking about going again this week.
And I'm buying the sountrack as soon as I get paid. Beck did a great job.
Quote:I'm really torn on how to do it. The following issues I have to overcome:
1) The arc clearly would shine under six missions. I have five.
2) The story is very much told from the narrator's point of view, which is Scott. You are not Scott.
3) For some reason, I can't design Matthew Patel in the character creation system.
The rest I'm working on.
If you can adjust Scott, begin him as a Martial Arts Scrapper who turns into a Katana Scrapper when he earns "the Power of Love."
Please let me know when you've completed this! And you have to have like every enemy drop inspirations/enhancements to simulate the coin-drops. -
I'm out on the Ultimate line. I haven't enjoyed them since the reboot. Ultimate Spider-Man is still the best, but I'd rather just preclude all involvement with the universe rather than just go for one book. Brubaker's Captain America has a history of excellence, but I just haven't liked it lately. And I don't like that I pay a buck extra for the Nomad back-up story I don't want. I mentioned Thor has seemed slow since Siege, but I'm behind on it. And Invincible Iron Man should have been in there... An oversight if I did miss it. I'm with that title for as long as Fraction is.
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Quote:Use it to your advantage! "Hi, I'm Troy Hickman. You may remember me from such fine Top Cow comics as 'Witchblade' and 'The Darkness.' Perhaps you'd like to try Twilight Guardian? It has all of that stuff from the others. Trust me, I created them."I'm watching Monday Night Raw, and during the commercial, a local ad came on for the con I'm doing Saturday, and they showed my picture and mentioned my name! Unfortunately, they also referred to me as the "creator of Witchblade"...
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Quote:Sounds good. I'm still behind so I don't know how OMIT occurred and progressed, but this sounds good.
If you thought Spider-Man had been involved in some big storylines in the past year, think again. This November, Marvel is launching what it's calling the "Big Time" era for the Amazing Spider-Man series. Dan Slott will be the sole writer of the title, for an oversized, bi-weekly shipping book. With the Hobgoblin, new costumes, a new job and more on the way, it's likely you'll want to have a look at this one. Plus Slott's artistic accomplices are truly mighty Stefano Caselli, Humberto Ramos and Marcos Martin.
If the bi-weekly action isn't enough for you, be sure to scope out some of Spidey's rogues. Kelly Sue DeConnick is focusing in on the former Dark Reign master himself, Norman Osborn. Meanwhile Zeb Wells and Clayton Crain are preparing to bring back Carnage in a whole new way. The next few months should be pretty good to Spidey fans.
The Critical Books
Amazing Spider-Man
Writer: Dan Slott | Artist: Stefano Caselli, Marcos Martin, Humberto Ramos
Key Release: Issue #648 November 3, 2010
Osborn
Writer: Kelly Sue DeConnick | Artist: Emma Rios
Key Release: Issue #1 November 3, 2010
Carnage
Writer: Zeb Wells | Artist: Clayton Crain
Key Release: Issue #1 October 13, 2010
Carnage returning - Last seen ripped in half by the Sentry in space in a throwaway scene in New Avengers #1. I knew that wouldn't kill the symbiote (it's a space-faring alien), but I wonder if they'll try to keep Cletus Kasady alive through it.
The Amazing Spider-Man story is interesting simply because Dan Slott will be writing it all, he's great. And I like Clayton Crain returning to draw Spider-Man and Stefano Casseli should have a good take.
I'll also be sure to track the Avengers issues. The Walking Dead should be amping up in time for their TV debut. I really like Jonathan Hickman, but I can't get into his Fantastic Four (just not a fan of the team), though his Secret Warriors has been cool. Cosmic Marvel has been dull since Thanos Imperative began. I don't know if the issues have been slightly delayed, but it feels like it has been a long time since Thanos Imperative: Ignition kicked things off. I think I'm still going through withdrawals due to the Guardians of the Galaxy and Nova cancellations. And, it seems cool that Herc will be going semi-cosmic in his return. Bendis' Scarlet #1 was cool, so I'm in for some more. Invincible is always fun.
After a fairly dull fast few months or so, it's cool to see that Marvel may get more interesting again. Just when I was thinking about getting back out on comics, too. -
I got my friend back into the game within the past week.
As he was looking for a set to play (I suggested the noble brute), he happened across my thread.
So, certainly and purely out of spite, he decided to create a Claws/Elec Brute of his own! DEVIOUS!
So that is attempting to sway me from playing one. I may go with a different secondary, perhaps fire, though my Spine/Fire Scrapper at 28 is oh-so-squishy, and I remember even my Fire/EM Tank being quite squishy until I got Tough/Weave going on him (this is old school we're talking here).
Hmm. I'll have to think on it. Dark Armor would probably have good synergy with it. but I just don't think I'm that interested in DA. -
Damn, Xmas, that would have been perfect.
I speak in the past tense because... I bought one yesterday. I took all of your advice, but decided I would rather take the lazier, quicker way out and just buy it retail from Fry's.
I got this one.
$850 was my comfortable price range, and from what I had seen online, it didn't look like I would save any money building it myself, and while I may have ended up with better specs, it would have still been more than I needed.
I just hooked the PC up yesterday, and after all of the administrative file transferring from my old computer and re-adding all of my favorites (as well as manipulating my old desk to make it more comfortable - I chopped off the top shelf), I didn't have much time left to actually enjoy the PC!
I turned on CoH and checked out Ultra Mode... And didn't see that much difference. I guess I'm just not a graphics snob... I couldn't tell what was supposed to be improved. I guess maybe the water was good, but I haven't been impressed by that since Wave Race 64.
Maybe my "occlusion" and gizematics and jiggawatts aren't optimized. -
Umm...
I would say it's worth watching, yes, but not great by any means. I would probably give it like a 6/10. My wife really liked it though. -
I don't know, I just got it from Netflix off the cuff. Curious.
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Paper Heart was an enjoyable documentary... To see once. The girl... I can only take her in small doses.
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Quote:One of the specific problems mentioned was that no one wanted Stalkers for SFs and late game content, so the -Regen would address that.I see many people bringing up -regen debuff. While having any kind of debuff is better than nothing, I don't think -regen helps that much in 90% of the lifespan of a Stalker. Most bosses don't even need -regen to kill and you are still stuck with an Assassin Strike that can only be reliably used at the beginning of the battle.
The main problem is still Assassin Strike itself. I am making my 6th stalker now and I feel Assassin Strike is what's limiting this AT on a team. When I solo, it doesn't really matter if AS takes 4s to activate or 2.67s if I use it in the beginning (which I should). The problem with Stalker on a team is that if you don't have any good aoe attack, your best bet is using an AS and you can really only use it in the first 4-6s of the battle. After that, your Stalker is scrapping like an inferior scrapper because your option(s) to get back to being an Assassin is very very limited. You either wait for 8s of doing "nothing" or use placate to score a critical.
I don't want placate to blind every mob around me. I think my Stalker is more sturdy than that and I don't want to put my fellow teammates in danger just because I want to score a critical.
The set probably does still need something extra for less specialized PvE, but the -regen would address the end-game issues.
What if...
Assassin strike itself, in PvE, mind you, had a very small cone to it? Maybe slightly wider than Shadow Maul. But the hits on the primary target only get the secondary damage-type so it's weaker.
As far as, "Well it's still too annoying to get back into Hide!," I think that's just the limitation of the set and isn't anything new. And I don't think it can still fill the intended role if you make it easier to get back into hide or increase performance out of hide.
I do agree with the increased recharge of Placate though. -
I had a feeling that would happen sooner or later.
Looks like it was 'sooner.' -
I think I have one solution...
Give Assassin's Strike a healthy dose of -Regen, just like the devs did back in the day for debuff sets.
It got the the point that the only defender/controller secondary anyone wanted was Empathy, right? So the devs made it to where if you want to take down tough targets, you needed a debuff set with -Regen with you.
And it's been rather binary ever since. "Want to do the LRSF? Bring lots of -regen debuffs." Hopefully that can then become "Want to do the LRSF? Bring lots of debuffing sets or a Stalker." -
Quote:I think I had this happen long, LOOOONG ago. My first character was Energy/Ice. Then Energy/Energy a few years later, and I can't recall any complaints recently about them. Either I got better with KB- management or Infinity gave up complaining.I've come across people on the forums who hate knockback in all its forms, but I've never been treated unfairly while playing pickup groups on Virtue.
I've had a couple of comments to keep it under control once or twice which I thought were unwarranted (since I was hovering above the bad guys at the time) but nothing too harsh.
So I wouldn't let the supposed reputation put you off playing Energy Blast.
Quote:I just keep knocking them back until.
A) They are all dead.
B) The melee characters figure out that they should be near walls instead of in the middle of all the giant rooms.
Usually A happens much more often than B. Alot of n00bs I have run with over the years blame KB for their own self created woes. Team strategy runs 2 ways. Telling the energy blaster not to use KBing AoEs deprives your team of that damage output and is totally ridiculous. Learning to melee near obstacles saves everyone time and headaches.
The reason the complaint is so common is that an armored melee toon like a br00t, tank, or scrapper is easier to get your feet wet on. A larger proportion of n00bs are therefore found playing these ATs, playing them with poor tactics, and then complaining about/blaming other players for their own self created problems.
Communication is the key. Explaining how KB works and good tactics can actually turn a n00b into a newbie if they take and follow your advice.
Quote:My main since 2004 has been an energy/energy blaster and I have never been criticized or kicked from a team because of it. Infact, most people would get a kick out of watching my sling stuff around cause I liked to Nova every chance I could when it was up. I've even been in groups doing my kb thing and the whole team would get mad at the stormy because of it and not say a word to me.
In regards to my aoe's scattering groups and making other "superior" aoes ineffective. I don't see this problem happening. I lead with Repulsion Bomb -> Explosive Blast -> Energy Torrent typically and the mobs stay fairly well grouped to get hit by all 3. If you can't aoe by the time that's done then your superior aoe is slow and a waste.
But I love the knockback. It's saved me more times than I can count. In fact, I think that my earliest blasting experience (well, that's not true, my very first was Ice/Fire) with Energy Torrent has sullied me against enjoying a lot of the other primaries that don't have any KB. It's one of the reasons I just can't get into Fire/ at all. -
Quote:Is it now? I have read a couple of the Gillen books, but they just seemed so sporadic. Maybe I've just missed an issue here or there.I've been behind on my pull list for a while, so I have a borked sense of what's come out when the past few months, but I'm pretty sure Thor's been back on track post JMS/Coipel. I'm a big fan of what JMS did on Thor.
In my humble opinion, Kieron Gillen was a great choice to follow JMS. Not a big fan of Billy Tan, but Asgardians seem to suit his style better than the tights crowd. There's a neat fill-in arc now with gorgeous art by Doug Braithwaite, before the book goes back to the Kirby era "Asgardians are aliens with sci-fi" schtick. Pasqual Ferry will be on art, don't know the writer offhand. I'll be dropping the book at that point, partly because I preferred the mythological spin on Asgard, partly for budgetary reasons.
Quote:I'm the opposite.
I find X-Factor boring and a bit pretentious. Plus I'm not big on how Peter David's using Rahne in X-Factor, and she's one of my favorite characters so..... yeah.....
Conversely, I'm loving the crazy vampire stuff. But then, I buy just about anything with Ambush Bug, Squirrel Girl, Beta Ray Bill, or Howard the Duck in it, so I'm a big fan of that kinda thing.
... I can see it. I think you're supposed to think that about some of the characters, which it makes it enjoyable when things go wrong for them.
I've only read the set-up with the vampire story (Jubilation is infected), so I really haven't seen enough to judge it. Just, after Necrosha, I'm wary of this path.
Quote:oh yes, because that's worked so well thus far for OMD/BND/OMiT. the entirety of the internet could actually return every issue of the Red Hulk/World War Hulks saga, torn and wrapped around copies of David's Planet Hulk to show Quesada what GOOD Hulk stories are like and still Quesada will not admit that a story is a bad idea, unless of course Loeb bad mouths him and calls Joey Q a pansy. at which point, the gloves are off and Joey Q will make his mission in life to retcon and destroy everything developed by Loeb since he first came to Marvel. Industry folks like to call this "the Grant Morrison treatment".
Quote:As a whole, no. But certain individual projects do reach an insane level of sucktitudinal horricrap that mystifies even fanboys. see the aforementioned spidey retcons, the Red Hulk storyline, and the recent Messiah whatever X-Trilogy.
Quote:In my opinion, Pak is the best writer Marvel has, and I follow whatever title he's working on. Last I noticed he was back on the Hulk again. I hope he can salvage a good story out of the mess they made of it.
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Not The Prince of Power? Cho (as written by Pak) is great, although the title is better when Herc is around.
Prince of Power is just a 4-issue mini-series, right? If it becomes a monthly I would definitely add it. -
Quote:I find most of the animal-themed villains to be sort of lame.So his villains should all be...robots? Women? Aliens? I'm not sure where them being guys is a problem. I certainly think villains being human is acceptable.
Kraven rarely uses guns, and is superhuman. He's one of the ridiculously well trained types comics seem full of, as well as being augmented by jungle potions, most likely magical. Whatever that means; he's not normal.
Vulture is indeed an old guy in a suit, though his wings make him superhumanly strong while worn. I'll grant you that the vulture isn't the best supervillain in history.
Ock is just a smart guy with metal arms, but those metal arms are sometimes ridiculously powerful, and the threat posed by smart varies from writer to writer. The second spider-man film shows some great examples of what they can do, and it was pretty tame compared to things he's done in the books.
Scorpion's suit doesn't do anything, aside from his tail. Other than that he's a super powered genetically modified arachnid/man hybrid, just like Spider-Man himself.
Green Goblin has a variety of nasty tricks in his bag, weapons for every ocassion there and on his glider, and is also scientifically modified to be faster, stronger, and more agile than a normal human, as well as developing a healing factor over the years.
I guess what I'm saying, in short, is that every villain ever is "just a guy or girl with x". Batman is often considered the other contender for best rogues' gallery, and his are almost all "crazy guy with guns and henchmen." Execution is everything, as alluded to by your comment that they were well written. If these guys aren't up to snuff, what would you consider a good villain?
The exception is the Lizard. Dr. Curt Connors had great motivations from the very beginning, and a lot of hubris in his origin.
My point was that even Spider-Man's villains, who are considered to be pretty great, were originally lame-looking guys in rubber suits. It's only been through 50+ years of story development that they've become pinnacles.
For instance, originally Green Goblin was just a mobster in the comics. Only after many fights and many years did Norman Osborn become an interesting antagonist. I don't believe he originally had the Goblin Serum as well.
Rhino is a big dumb guy put into a suit. For years he was just a guy to show up for an issue or two and smash some things and then be taken down unceremoniously. However, there were two issues within the last year written by Joe Kelly that gave some huge development to Aleksei.
As for who I think has the best rogue's gallery, the X-Men's, particularly Magneto, the Sentinels and Mr. Sinister are pretty impressive.
My criteria is mostly based on the motivations. Because of that, I think it's hard to build tough villains early in a hero's origin. The hero needs time to establish himself and allow the villains to develop some personal reason against the hero to become a villain, or have a good cause (Magento) to begin with. -
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It's a very long poem.
I have it on my thumb drive... one sec... I'll paste...
Disclaimer: I think I just typed all of this while listening to him read it on the "Stan Lee's Mutants, Myths and Monsters" DVD with Kevin Smith. So there could be slight errors and out-of-place or absent punctuation.
Quote:God Woke - Stan Lee
God woke
He stretched and yawned and looked around
Haunted by a thought unfound
A vagrant thought that would not die
He rose and scanned the endless sky
He probed the is, he traced the was
He sought the yet to be
And then he found the planet Earth, the half remembered planet Earth
Steeped in pain and tragedy
And all at once he knew
He saw the world that he had wrought to suit his master plan
And then he saw the changes brought by the heedless hand of man
Man, so frail, so small
Yet lord of all
Striving, thriving
Hustling, bustling
Sowing, growing, ever going
Ever learning, never knowing
Less than righteous, less than just
And in the end condemned to dust
He heard the man-sounds everywhere
The shots, the clangs, the roars, the bangs
The clatter, clammer, guns and hammer
And then he found to his despair
The haunting hollow sound of prayer
A billion bodies ever bending
A billion voices never ending
"Give me…", "Get me..."
"Grant me…", "Let me…"
"Love me", "Free me"
"Hear me", "See me"
While he pondered, watched and waited
Endlessly they supplicated
Chanting, ranting
Moaning, groaning
Sighing, crying
Cheating, lying
But towards what goal? What grand direction?
This pious tide of genuflection
To please their lord, to please their god
He raised his head and laughed, laughed hard
At man, the enigma, calling for aid
Ever demanding, ever afraid
Man, the enigma, bewailing his fate
Yet plagued by inaction till ever too late
Paradoxical man, so fearful of death
Yet squandering life and lavishing breath
Wasting his hours, diluting his days
Accomplishing nothing while he prays and he prays
Hypocritical man, pompous and preening
Mouthing his rote
Just from the throat
Words without feeling
Sound without meaning
Such arrogance, such grand conceit
To think one's self somehow elite
To demand each prayer be heard with care
While painfully, vainfully all unaware
One's omnipotent, infinite, absolute lord
Is bored
God frowned
How dare they believe that The Way and The Light
Can be constantly badgered from morning till night?
By what senseless standard? By what senseless rule?
Do they treat their creator as if he's their tool
While proclaiming his glory, do they think him a fool?
Who else but a fool with a cosmos to savour
Would be bound just to Earth granting boon, granting favour
Who else but a fool with a cosmos unfolding
Would linger with man ever praising and scolding
Who else but a fool with a cosmos to stray in
Would conceive him an ant-hill and like a prisoner stay in
Who else but a fool would create mortal men
And then be expected to tend them, mend them,
Cry for them, die for them over and over and over again
God sighed
I gave them minds as I recall, it was so long ago
I gave them minds that they might use to choose, to think, to know
For the hapless weak, must needs be wise, if they would prove their worth
And then I gave them paradise, the fertile verdant Earth
At first I found the plan was sound and somewhat entertaining
But once begun, the deed now done, my interest started waning
The seed thus sown
The twig now grown
I left them there
Alone
Alone, among the planets and the stars
And the endless fathomless all
Alone, bathed by light and clothed by dark
Midst the vague and the vast and the small
Alone
Alone as I have ever been, as I shall ever be
Why do they not accept it? How else can they be free?
Why do they not accept it? Why do they search for me?
Why?
When their own little lives are so barren and brief
When all of their pleasures are tarnished by grief
In the space of a heartbeat their present is past
They cling to each moment, but no moment can last
When the end comes so quickly and they soon are forgot
Why do they search for that which is not?
Like unto children lost in the night
They search for a God to guide them
Like unto children huddled in fright
They must have their God beside them
But what sort of children, from cradle to grave
Would grant him obiance and yet make him their slave?
They have conjured a heaven and there he must stay
Ever responsive, be it night, be it day
He must love and forgive them and comply when they pray
Ever attentive, never to stray
And like unto children in their childish zeal
They worship their dream thinking fantasy real
God pondered
He, The Be All, The End All, The Will and The Way
The Power, The Glory, The Night and The Day
The Word and The Law, The Fount and The Plan
Lord God Almighty, was baffled by man
He was puzzled by the paradox
By the irony there in
If only he could show them
But where would he begin?
How to make them understand, how to make them see
How to make them recognize their own insanity
They live for gain and they strive in vain
To circumvent their death
But all the gold and wealth untold
Won't buy an extra breath
They bestow acclaim and they shower fame
On those who rise to power
But those who care, who love and share
Are forgot within the hour
They're prone to fight, to use their might
For whatever flag they cherish
But those who cry "To arms" don't die
Their young are sent to perish
Yes, all unsung, they kill their young
Who fall and die and then they cry
But why?
A different house of worship? A different colour skin?
A piece of land that's coveted and the drums of war begin
Only death can triumph, there's no place left to hide
And still the madmen ply their trade claiming God is on their side
Of all who live, who crawl and creep
Who take and give, who wake and sleep
Who run, who stand, who dot the land from shore to shore
Man, only man, none but man, wages war
Only man, eternally killing
Only man, infernally willing
To concede himself grace
To bury his race
Only man, earnestly praying to his god as he's slaying and piously saying
As the battles increase
He does what he must for his motives are just
The mayhem, the carnage, the slaughter won't cease
But no need to worry, God's in his corner, he's killing for peace
Man
His greed, his hate, his crime, his war
The Lord, our God, could bear no more
He looked his last at man so small
So lately risen, so soon to fall
He looked his last and had to know
Whose fault this anguish, this mortal woe?
Had man failed maker? Or maker, man?
Who was the planner? And whose the plan?
He looked his last then turned aside
He knew the answer, that's why God cried -
Scott Pilgrim's Precious Little Life.
The derogatory precious is so appropriate.
American Gods.
"Just Watch the Fireworks" by Jimmy Eat World.
"Anthems for a Seventeen Year-Old Girl" and "Pitter Patter Goes My Heart" by Broken Social Scene.
"Pictures of Success" by Rilo Kiley.
"Fearful Symmetry," the Kraven the Hunter death story arc from Amazing Spider-Man in the 90's named after the William Blake poem.
Armageddon in Retrospect and Timequake by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
"God Woke" by Stan Lee. -
With plenty of spastic arm-swinging beforehand.
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Even some of Spider-Man's "better" villains are pretty lame, either through appearance or motivations. Kraven the Hunter is a hairy guy with a gun. Vulture is an old guy in a suit. Doc Ock is a smart guy with metal arms. Scorpion is a guy in a suit. Chameleon is "generic shape-shifter." The Green Goblin is a guy in a suit with an insanity plea.
They've all just been written fairly well throughout the years, or have the unmistakable power of nostalgia on their side. -
MARVEL FANBOY SAYS!!!!!!!!
Yes, kind of.
I read Amazing Spider-Man, BUT I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. I love the character, so I'm bound to his fortunes.
The X-Men books since Hope Summers showed up have been a lot of fun... But it looks like they're getting away from that with Vampire'ing. X-Factor seems excluded from that, so it will still be fun.
Punisher is Frankencastle. You know what that means.
I enjoyed the Avengers-centric Dark Reign, Siege and the current Age of Heroes. They're definitely Marvel's flagship titles and are being cared for. Thunderbolts is included in this because it's a lot of the same characters involved. So that's Avengers Prime, New Avengers, Avengers, Avengers: Children's Crusade (Young Avengers), Secret Avengers, T-Bolts, Avengers Academy (the spiritual successor to Avengers: The Initiative)
The Ultimate books are entirely skippable.
Deadpool is good for a laugh but is becoming oversaturated. Over the past few months you could have read Deadpool, Deadpool: Merc With a Mouth, Deadpool: Wade Wilson's War, Deadpool Team-Up, or Deadpool Corps. Yes, there is such a thing as too much Deadpool: Five books will do it.
Thor is off-schedule and kind of hard to gauge at the moment.
Wolverine: Weapon X has been really cool, and I'm not a Wolverine fan at all. I think Jason Aaron writes it, and outside of the first arc (which I skipped because it seemed ridiculous) everything since then has been Hardcover-purchase-worthy.
Greg Pak, who I think is back on the Hulk nonsense, is mostly enjoyable with Amadeus Cho's happenings and writing Hercules when he's around.
Matt Fraction's Invincible Iron Man is still enjoyable and the title just won an Eisner.
Bendis' Powers (Marvel's ICON imprint) is great but only bi-monthly. On the same imprint is Bendis and Maleev's current book, Scarlet, which had a promising beginning.
Ed Brubaker's Captain America seems to be floundering, which is definitely uncharacteristic of the Bru-ster. His Steve Rogers: Super Soldier is still too early to tell about.
The Shadowland story coming out of Daredevil is really cool.
As mentioned, the cosmic stories are awesome, but Nova and Guardians of the Galaxy are both on a hiatus while the Thanos Imperative is happening, so there is only one dose of cosmic a month.
All told, if I have to build a solely Marvel pull list right now, these are the only titles that would be on it:
Powers
Scarlet
Amazing Spider-Man
Thunderbolts
Secret Avengers
New Avengers
Avengers Prime
X-Factor
Thanos Imperative (pending Nova/GotG return)
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Maybe Ross is just senile and plagued by guilt, and he's seeing his dead daughter in every female.
If it were Loeb, that's probably what I would go with.
Still, if enough internet people call this idea the worst they've ever heard, they'll spirit the notion away in another few issues.