Charnell

I know. And i am goin away for weekend
Still got a DB/WP brute at 36. Seemed pretty impressive.

Aw theres no one there

Well I was gonna say just db/wp but it would be cool to see the new powersets in action against others. Just dont PWN PVP newbs maybe?

I am up for that!

I have been dabbling with RV recently. And i must say the heavies get on my nerves. Was in there this mornin with my scrapper and my tanker and i cant remember exact figures but if i got killed 20 times like only once or twice was actually by a player. All the other times was the heavies.
I get ganked or perma dominated I can deal with that. Its players perogative to team or to max out their builds. Even when I am ultra frustrated gettin pushed into a corner and pwned I still have respect for the player for getting their build right.
I know i can just get a heavy but they are effective in different ways and against different AT's. And all it takes is one or two farmers and there are no heavies available anyway.

The mobs I can deal with. I dont mind "hazards" in the zone but I just think the heavies are boring and really dissuade people from PVP. And like other people said I want to use my 50 toons that i spent so long lvlin. I want ALL my powers. But it just feels like every time i get stuck into a fight, i start getting a few hits in, maybe i feel i got a good chance then BANG. Health bar gone. Cant remember what it is but its something like 700 lethal and toxic. Warburg is better but I have to be nerfed TWELVE levels down to play in there. Losing my epics which are some of my best powers for pvp.

I have only got a little experience with RV but i feel the heavies are the main problem with RV. Just take the stupid things out. Concentrate the zone on actual pvp. It feels like they are just in there because they look cool. And it just seems to me right now that nearly the whole focus of the zone is on them, either in farming or pvp.

Yup im with ya there.
And yeh to how dwarf becomes pretty unused in higher levels. Tbh my current PB build is tri but the dwarf only has the dam res slotted. Just a little more than a panic button to me. But for the sake of one power+2 enh slots i still think it is worth having. More than that phase shift power. Really dont see the point of that power after light form.

Wow interesting. I have an XBOX controller lying around that I butchered to work on my pc. I may well dig it out and try it. Probably not with a kheld tho

I rarely use my mouse to click any powers that i need critically. Dont like to rely on my mouse accuracy.
All powers i activate 1-0 which i try to keep as my attack chains and buffs. Second bar I activate with 1-0 with the ALT key for toggles and lesser used attacks (nukes/light form).
Bind for a form will change form and change to another uncluttered power bar for that form and again I use 1-0 for whatever attacks the form has.
Second bar stays with my human form clickies/toggles so i can see when I need to flip to human for buffs/nukes/light form/hasten/mires/fluffies/stygian circle.

When you say you change the power bars around manually, you do that in the middle of fights? Dont you think one bound keypress would expedite that process and improve your ability to rapidly meet different combat conditions?
But I have to admit you have really tempted me to dig out that controller

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On a similar note I was teaming with a 50ish WS the other day and after talking with him a while I realised he had slogged to 50 without ANY BINDS! He was a nice guy and i'm not ripping on him personally but he must have some perseverance to do that. I mean I cant believe it was even possible. Made me wonder if that was the reason so many ppl dump khelds so quickly. When I play my WS I can be flipping forms constantly depending on the situation.

So in recap-
Get to 50
Read Plasma's excellent kheld guide (see above)
Get your binds sorted asap, before you get forms
get to 21 and decide if YOU like khelds

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There are many ways to have fun with khelds...

- using binds maybe helpfull with WS, no "must have"...and imo not needed as PB

- its not on "this Form is better than the other.." , its the abillity to change forms on one char even if somebody decide to build his kheld with only one or two forms...

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Ok i dont think this thread was intended as advanced kheld guide. I was only trying to give decent advice on getting into them. If you have one form, which 99% of new kheld players will, you need binds. You will end up with tons of powers very quickly and easily fill a few power bars. Ok you dont NEED them but I cant see how this will endear khelds to anyone. You seriously think it is feasible to enjoy playing a tri-form PB without binds? How do you do it? Bashing away on the +/- keys in the heat of battle sounds pretty intense to me. And guaranteed to leave you in the wrong tray for your current form.

Seriously someone tell me how they play a kheld with forms without binds? Please?

Out of interest mike what lvl is your PB?

Mine is Nebuloid on Union. I would love to team with you and see your bindless playstyle against mine. If you have forms that is.

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Yeh its not really helpfull to put khelds in terms of blapper etc. I have seen khelds with full slotted dwarf forms who can tank REALLY well.
But then again its hard to describe them to the unitiated :/

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Dwarfs do not have taunt aura nor gauntlet. their taunt has toHit check in PVE. Theres more to tanking than just taking damage.

PS. I have a PB almost at lvl 30 and it sucks .

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To add:

My Dwarves both have antagonise 6 slotted and they both suck as Tanks, beneath my expectations despite doing well "enough". In my not so humble but totally honest opinion on this, they are overall physically incapable of being "as good" as "any" type of properly built and played Tanker that there is at Tanking "anything". The fact that someone says that one Dwarf is, is a bad sign for the Tankers that they have seen. However circumstances and to be expected, experiences vary. But bare in mind not every team needs a tanker type in the first place and if they do, then its to varying degrees. So given time, support and opportunity there will be occasions Dwarves can tank really well or well enough.

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Whatever. I have a 50 PB AND a 50 tanker ty. I dont see the point in pedantic listing of numbers etc. I dont think anyone expects a kheld to be up there with a decent built and played tanker. Duh. If you want a tanker roll one. Thats exactly what I did. I should mention that PB's who are just in dwarf all the time even when there is a tanker on their team really annoy me.

This thread reminds me of one of the things I loved about getting my PB to 50. The endless tirade of "khelds suczorrrrrr.....>zzzzzzzzz" or the variation "how can you play a kheld?? omg its so harddddd....zzzzzz"

On a similar note I was teaming with a 50ish WS the other day and after talking with him a while I realised he had slogged to 50 without ANY BINDS! He was a nice guy and i'm not ripping on him personally but he must have some perseverance to do that. I mean I cant believe it was even possible. Made me wonder if that was the reason so many ppl dump khelds so quickly. When I play my WS I can be flipping forms constantly depending on the situation.

So in recap-
Get to 50
Read Plasma's excellent kheld guide (see above)
Get your binds sorted asap, before you get forms
get to 21 and decide if YOU like khelds

By that point i think you should have an idea if you like the AT or not.

I was in the TF when the guy went out. It was nobodies fault. And yeh we completed it and it was fun.
I dont get where this is goin anyway. This is an MMO where xp and getting to higher levels is the main incentive to gameplay. The obtaining of XP is where the main body of the game is.
If i join a team with a toon -50 I generally want xp. If a team/tf i join is going for badges or doing anything with low or no XP I will decide to continue or leave.
I often let lowbies join me on my 50 tanker and get max xp if they want. This doesnt bother me and I actually like helping people.
And as far as Donna's sig quote I dont understand your problem Saxtus. She pays her money and it is her perogative how she plays and like the majority of players I suspect she wants XP most of the time. Yeh fun obviously rules the game and this is how Donna enjoys the game.

And nice work on turning a light hearted and friendly thread into this.

Yeh its not really helpfull to put khelds in terms of blapper etc. I have seen khelds with full slotted dwarf forms who can tank REALLY well.
But then again its hard to describe them to the unitiated :/

Only real advice is get a 50. Start a kheld and unlike 90% of ppl dont quit it after lvl 10.

At least you are getting replies. One thing that annoys me is being ignored.
I just try to not let it get to me and stay polite. I try to always give full information too. Always put my lvl and AT.

I am mostly playin 50s up till i11 and if you cant find anyone and i am online give me a shout. I always like teaming and have no problem ex'in or sk'in.
Hot Rox - 50 Fire/fire tanker

Agree with Larac too, an active SG makes such a difference.

Warshades do take a lot of 'playing' but i think they solo pretty well after lvl 32+. You get your little fluffy pets. Once you have one or two of them out you can tank for them in dwarf form. Also stygian circle is great for keeping your stamina and health bars full. And stamina is pretty hard to hang onto with a PB in human form.

PB's are better for the straight ahead play style. Whereas warshade demands that you are constantly changing form to get the most out of it. I dont really understand WS's who are just sitting in one form through missions tbh. When i play mine (lvl36) I will be constantly flipping forms- mires from dwarf or panic button if team overwhelmed, Nova for AoE's on bigger groups and human for mires, stygian circle, single targets, fluffies etc...

Right im tambling now.

Anyway PB is easier to get into and more flexible to fit to your style, all form combo's are viable and usefull (human/dwarf-triform-human only).
WS takes effort and imo is less flexible form wise. All the forms are needed. I suppose human only is possible but you would really need to work on the build. And without a decent team I think it would just be a slightly inferior def/troller.

I will try to keep that night clear for this.
I will be bringing Nebuloid 50 PB.
And I suppose I will keep Group energy flight in my build for this; was gonna respec out of it.
No Hami experience bar the mini Hami on the LGTF.

How is your dwarf slotted?
I was thinking more of a PB who has heavily slotted his dwarf might have a little chance.

Congratz Rav!

Thnx ppl!
I feel all shy now ;p

Right I hit 50! So who is up for this?
Lets say next sat 21st at 8 BST.

Well im on union but my PB is still at 44 so this will have to be a future event. For me at least.
There are pros and cons to it and maybe it will fail but i suspect it will be damn fun. And if we succeed it will be something to wave in the face of the kheld haters.

I am sure i can get to 45+ for next weekend but will we need all 50's? If not maybe next sunday?

3 or 4 Dwarf Forms or even 8 dwarf forms.
That would be scary.

Has this ever been done? Is it even feasible?
My PB is 42 and hopefully should get to 50 in the next week or so and another thread I read a while back about human only PB's not being good enough for STF got me to thinking.

But with all the variety in kheld builds I imagine it is possible and could actually be pretty damn cool.

Anyone?

Where are you decent tanks when I need you??

Been playing my khelds a lot for the last couple of months. Got 41 PB and 34 WS. I can tank with dwarfs when there are no tankers available but for me I can only really pull out all the stops and play my AT's to the full with a tanker in the team. I can accept it is hard getting the build together up to 26 or more but after that my patience starts to wear thin. And even with the build nothing irritates me more than the tanker running to the nearest minion and beating on him till he dies then move to the next minion. No use of taunt at all. I LOVE a decent tanker and will stick behind them like glue. Ready to pile in after them and bring the hurt. There are different strategies with different team make ups that can work but only when people work together.

I have kicked scrankers from teams i put together a few times if they cause a wipe as they are just killing mobs while the rest of the team are getting cut down. Then they think they are chocolate being the last man standing.

I think it is a problem on more levels than tankers too atm. So many ppl out there really want to team because they want more xp but downright refuse to actually work as a team. I wish they would just solo.

Also I have never played WoW but is the pulling thing common there? Some guy had come over from it and said it was essential in WoW. Maybe this accounts for the influx of bored WoW bringing that dynamic?

If you like tankin in dwarf your gonna love your fluffies. 6 slot them asap. Works pretty well in teams without a tanker too. Im only 33 but its wierd tanking with your fluffies blasting away at the same time.

Check out http://uk.boards.cityofheroes.com/showfl...ge=1#Post869158
for decent binds.

I have got my PB up to 38 and a WS up to 28. I agree you have no need to bother with aid other etc. Glowing Touch is ok for the odd heal if you need it and the other self heals are more than enough. And if you need more slot the Dwarf heal.

And check out plasma's excellent kheld guide. I use it constantly as I am levelling to check what powers sound interesting adn what to do with them.

Ultimately I think you are best playing around with powers and getting your own feel for them as you go along and respeccing as needed.

Stamina and conserve energy are a must. You will be hurting for endurance otherwise.

I know some people think the PB suffers in early levels but i personally have enjoyed every level with my PB. Get your binds sorted and become a powerhouse of destruction. With a decent team and tanker you can dominate almost every battle. For me up till 32+ I was flipping between forms constantly to be as usefull as possible. Nova AoE's into Human AoE's, maybe a couple of single target attacks, heal then back to Nova. Get unwanted aggro flip to dwarf.

Now at 38 my PB is a human/dwarf build and now with light form it feels like a whole new dimension has opened up again. I think towards 50 I will pick up Nova again for the finished build.

Anyway from my experience khelds are amazing AT's with by far the most flexibility. Find what works for you and build for your playstyle.

Also my warshade has amazed me too. Damage output is unreal at times. With a good tanker wiping out a big spawn of +3's in a very short time is amazing.

Room for a scrapper? CHarnelll 50-BS/Regen