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I posted a "...and you're saying this is all somehow a bad thing?" response to your T for Teen criticisms a few minutes ago, and then deleted it. Because I'm not a forum troll, and because I do feel the need to respect that these things are an issue for people--a valid issue for those who enjoy comic books but do not enjoy looking at oversexualized forms (usually female forms, we can assume, since there aren't usually too many males or females complaining about bulging male biceps in spandex).
I've tried to have this conversation with women I know, curious about their level of frustration with female sexuality in comics and entertainment media in general. And generally, they roll their eyes. I run into more men that have a problem with it than women. I run into more men on the Internet that have a problem with it than anywhere else in my life.
I still read comic books, and I've never had a problem with this aspect of them. I'd be lying if I said I never enjoyed this aspect of them, but it is not even close to being the thing that draws me toward comics (super heroes). I work with, and am friends with, and am related to, plenty of geeky women who enjoy the traditional art of comics as much as the guys. Anecdotal evidence, I know. But few people I know would agree that an undersexualized world would be an improvement of any significance--there's nothing wrong with sexuality. Exploitative sexuality is another ballpark, but there are people who will call any sexuality exploitative. Which is why the people on your side of the fence can't simply convince the rest of us that we're all acting like sleazebags. -
I'm going against the grain on this. Limited time offers like this aren't a new business strategy. They aren't a Paragon Studios thing. They're an industry staple. I don't think you can change this reality with a forum thread. These events generate interest and reward participation. It's a strategy that works. Events like this get people to log in and talk about the Market to their friends, something that may be less likely to happen when something is just always going to be there and can be taken for granted. I even suspect the player base at large and MMO players in general appreciate the diversity that emerges out of sporadic freebies, exclusive offers and contests.
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Mini Captain-Electric vanity pet.
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I love both roles. Leading or taking orders, there's a time for both. If anyone plays on Virtue and likes lighthearted RP/mission teams (real super heroes don't stand around in a club all day
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Thanks for a great round of shows, Cape Radio. Had tons of fun tonight!
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Quote:So I ran into George Takei one time, and it was an unemployed friend's birthday, and I just so happened to have bought his birthday card, so I asked Mr. Sulu if he'd sign it, "Happy birthday, <insert name>, now get a job, you lazy bum! Oh and cut your hair! Love, George Takei." For extra measure, I had someone take a picture of me and Sulu with our arms around each other's shoulders, smiling giddily at the camera, and put it inside the card.They did give some strategy tips on the new trial. Nothing too earthshattering in the news department, but it was really nice having actual face-to-face interaction with the crew. It's the kind of thing that, if you're there, it's really neat but if you're not, it's kind of meh. It's like the difference between being a fan talking to George Takei (WOOT!) and just watching a bunch of fans talking to George Takei (um... okay...).
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Quote:There are a few bits during Civil War that explained the phenomenon in the Marvel universe, and if you Google 'Marvel floating timeline' you'll get some interesting reading. Authors have mentioned it in interviews and articles sporadically over the years. Time passes for individuals very slowly in the comics--which is pretty reasonable considering how much happens in the average 20 or 30-something page comic. Peter Parker is barely 30 now (in the mainline universe, not the Ultimate universe), because only about 13 years have passed in the Marvel universe since 1962. However, time passes normally for the world at large, which is the device that allows Marvel to exist alongside current events, and still retain its rich history.I'm all for time passing in comics (and CoH) - I'm just not used to people "aging" in real time. I mean, Peter Parker should have died of Parkinson's disease years ago (even sooner since he has the proportional age of a spider, hehe). Not realistic, but that's what seems to happen in comic books, and I’m cool with that.
City of Heroes has a floating timeline too. Events in the past and the future are always happening (not that most characters are aware of it), and our characters can experience the same event twice if they exemplar down to a lower level team. There's a bit of in-game text that appears in your chat box when you join someone else's team, letting you know that you're now experiencing the world as affected by their actions. At that point, your character is no longer simply him or herself, but rather a divergent path, an alternate self living in a world where the team leader and his friends probably witnessed Statesman's death or saved the Faultline dam instead of you and your friends.
I love this wibbly wobbly stuff, but it's all just fictional devices. But it's also the physical laws of these pretend universes. From an IC/RP perspective, Marvel's heroes and our characters typically have no way of being aware of any of this, because it all exists on the other side of the fourth wall. -
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Either I'm crazy, or everyone else is crazy, because I think that's one badass picture. I'm going with the latter--you're all crazy!
In option one, Shadowhunter's an Ewok! And Penelope has just escaped from a traumatic stretchy torture table experience! And the face doesn't look like her at all!
In the current picture, Shadowhunter is one badass waffle (look at that sneer!), and Penelope is jumping into the fray with her psychic melee ready for action! It's a scene straight out of a comic book, unlike that emo posing crap they're doing in the other picture.
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Especially because your brain work is NCSoft's intellectual property, according to your agreement with NCSoft.
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I know, he made a stand-in for the Incredible Hulk series (The Incredible Hercules) and also had some AWESOME scenes in Civil War--I haven't followed his adventures too much outside of those appearances, but he was a big part of Agents of Atlas and has a nice big fan following.
But back to the brain exercise, I think you misunderstood me, which is my fault for not distinguishing between name and likeness. If you want to get super technical, well, this isn't a realistic scenario at all. Imagine if the likeness of my character replaced Marvel's likeness for Hercules, even if it was just one artist's "adaptation" in a limited run of issues. How would that turn out after I reported the situation to CS?
This might work better if you extrapolate beyond Hercules and imagine one of your characters being lifted by some artist at a comic book studio. What would you do? How do you imagine NCSoft might react? -
Yep, the Avengers finally got toppled by Men in Black 3. But it took almost a month to get the almost-invincible Avengers off their record-breaking throne. Mighty incredible, if you ask me.
I think it's safe to say that people dig the Avengers.
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Funny brain exercise.
Let's say an artist over at Marvel Comics is playing City of Heroes one day and spots my Hercules character running around and says to himself, hot damn!
A year later, a character who looks exactly like my character shows up in a Marvel comic book. I buy the comic book at my LCBS and see my character running around with Spidey and Iron Man and I say to myself, hot damn!
It's just a brain exercise. I'm one of the Marvel Universe's biggest fans. I don't think this will ever happen. Marvel Comics knows better and with all their awesome talent, they don't need to copy anything.
On with the exercise, I report the IP violation to Customer Support, under the assumption that all content that is created on NCSoft's servers belongs to NCSoft, not Marvel Comics.
Does NCSoft/Paragon Studios:
A) Generic my character for infringing on Marvel's newly trademarked copy of my character
B) File a Cease and desist
C) Do nothing
D) Do nothing, but prepare a legal response in case Marvel files a cease and desist letter
Something like this could happen if a smaller independent comic book studio artist copies a character he runs across in a super hero MMO. If something like this happened to one of our City of Heroes characters, what would we be able to do in order to protect our creations inside of NCSoft's servers? -
Hello everyone, I can't say what decisions the GMs have made regarding the OP or even their thoughts on my character the Mythic Hercules. Unlike others experiences shared here, CS did not have a sit-down with me over my character. They only communicated to me that any appropriate action has already been taken, if any action was taken at all (it's not the kind of information they're at liberty to provide). It was extremely brief and formal, and probably entirely copy/pasted.
But at the end of the day, and then the week, Hercules was still on my roster. Works for me. I'll never know how CS feels about Hercules; only that they've decided to let me keep him. That's a big deal in my book. But do characters like Hercules create headaches for CS? Thinking about the things that Chase Arcanum wrote on the matter, this incident has made me that much more respectful of Paragon Studios. So I sent them another message:
Fair and responsible use of the public domain wins a victory today; I'm relieved to see Hercules available on my roster for play. I'm writing to say thanks, and to reassure CS that Hercules will never stray from a likeness in origin and imagery based solely on (a) The 12 Labors of Hercules, and (b) Paintings and sculptures from Greek, Roman and Post-Renaissance art, something my research showed that comics publishers have avoided in the interest of pursuing a stronger trademark for their adaptations. Rest assured, my likeness of Hercules bears no likeness to any of those properties. As a professional writer and creator myself, I take this subject very seriously. But I also know that if the day comes when ordinary people cannot participate and share (responsibly) in the public domain within digital spaces like yours, a terrible precedent will be set. I posted pictures of Hercules and his bio in JazMan's thread in General Discussion ( http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...=290059&page=3 ). (If you also would like to visit Hercules in-game to inspect his likeness and bio, let me know and we can agree on a time when we can both be online.)
I got a thanks in reply.
One of the reasons why works go into the public domain is so that we can become participants in those tales in order to keep them alive, and some authors, such as H.P. Lovecraft and even J.R.R. Tolkien, expressed their strong desire to have this happen to their works after they died (Tolkien's estate had other plans, of course).
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I play the Mythic Hercules, and in light of this little issue, I've gone ahead and written the CS team to reassure them that he bears no similarity to any trademarked likenesses, and invited them to inspect Hercules' likeness and bio. I've also directed them to this thread and to the Virtue Name Watch thread. Per their policies I won't divulge any communication that happens, but I'm not worried about it. No one owns historical mythical figures, and my character's likeness was created while looking at pictures of statues and paintings from ancient Greece, and was afterward double-checked against the terribly inaccurate representations owned by various publishers and entertainment companies.
What I am, is embarrassed for indirectly causing a waste of time for CS, and for what may have been a lack of good judgement in offering some tips to a player I wasn't familiar with. -
Thanks, Knight. I had to wriggle the famous club into his hands through other means, because in the version of the myth that I love most, he fought the Nemean Lion with his bare hands (instead of stunning it with his club) and received the club much later as a reward during his adventures.
In the story he went back later to cut the Lion's mane off for armor (something that can't be replicated in the character editor at this time). But in this case, the Lion barely survives and crawls into the Red River and is swept away to the shores of the Rogue Isles. I plan to create an AE arc in which the Nemean Lion is Hercules' arch nemesis, something that absolutely can be done now.
You need to get on my global, I don't come to the forums as much anymore, and I'd love for us to meet each others characters. 99 percent of my RP happens in or between missions, not standing around somewhere! -
Quote:I'd like to see someone try to lay claim to a two to three-thousand year-old story and character that predates our civilization and its system of laws.The name the guy was allowed to retain is that of a well known Greek God.
Hercules does not belong to Marvel, or DC, or Paramount, or Penguin Books, or Random House, or 20TH Century Fox, or any of the gazillion other comics, books, movies and TV shows that have adapted Hercules to their stories. But we, and they, are all welcome to use him in stories, because he belongs to Humanity. He is a campfire tale.
I've already explained this. And explained it again. Rather than engage in a mature discussion about it, you gave me this. Which is why I think I'm done being polite with you. If I had known you would drag me into your squabble with CS as an example, I would not have offered you any helpful advice. What the heck did you do, try to report me?
I understand you're upset because your bizarre pursuit of a complete stable of names that exist in comic book properties has hit a snag. But you are very misguided (and not a little petty) to channel that frustration toward an adaptation of a mythological Greek character that is based on thousand year-old paintings, sculptures and The 12 Labors of Hercules, a 2,000 year-old tale.
My character is a historical figure and exists within the public domain. He bears little relevance to the quandary that you've found yourself in. Those I RP with on Virtue enjoy adventuring with him immensely, precisely because I have not attempted to re-imagine him as many of the comics do. I have 25 other characters that I've channeled my own spin into, but the Hercules I play is Hercules. This was not just a "cool name grab" for me. As a lover of mythology since a child, it is a privilege that I treat respectfully and with the knowledge that everyone I play with "owns" this character and his tales as much as I do.
Regarding that last link I referenced, I can't imagine it's helping your case if this is the level of maturity and patience you're directing toward Customer Support. It's quite likely that some of your names could have been appealed about reasonably, as that player who owned an original Phoenix character discovered. But those are people on the other end of the line at Customer Support. You've got to be more respectful toward people if you want them on your side about things.
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I wrote a guide on how to treat Altitis.
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If something like this goes down in my city, you can count me in yesterday.
(And I'll be bringing a whole lot of other RPers with me.)