Capa_Devans

We all bugged it but in-game GM responses are pitiful at the moment. This happened on Sunday early morning Eastern time. I have received a standard "if we can replicate it, we will put it on a list to be fixed" email yesterday (Tuesday) about 6pm Eastern.*

The guys who lost the MoKhan due to this never got a response, another team who had a mission on a Sister Psyche TF in Praetoria, got an email response after two days (they had to restart and the bug was on the penultimate mission).

What I listed above; was the initial observations NOT deliberate attempts to PK. (1000 cuts gives a lot of numbers above a group; pretty tough to spot one of them was a team mate until you watch for it.

Once we had realized there was a real problem and bugged it, we had two choices: reform and risk it happening again or keep going while trying to minimize the damage. We chose to /bug it and keep going and minimize damage. Controller didn't summon pets until the reactor (which fortunately was not bugged) and I stayed on the edge to avoid AoEing the scrapper or tickling the tank. Luckily we all knew each other and it was a small team. If it was a larger team or with people I didn't know, I'd probably have quit because of the griefing possibility.

I will say I made this report via PM first, I didn't want to post something with this sort of grief potential on the boards. However that PM still hasn't been read (maybe I sent it to the wrong Dev) hence the post because this is big enough to need an urgent fix.

Mixed teams can sometimes allow you to target, attack and damage your team mates.

I have heard several reports of team mates killing/mezzing each other in Praetoria, a Master Khan ended when one member was identified as hostile and was then kicked from the team by the game and I finally experienced the joy of this myself yesterday.

Server:
* Guardian

Mission:
* Terra Volta 3rd Respec Trial

Team:
* Stalker (me)
* Scrapper (leader)
* Controller
* Tank

First door mission scrapper seemed to be taking a LOT of damage. Didn't think anything of it; the tank was afk so *shrug* maybe a squishy scrapper.

I wondered by everyone seemed to have me identified (you know the way you can see someone is focused on you when you focus on them). Later in this mission I wondered why I could see that because I using my standard MO of Caps Lock as Target Nearest Enemy.

Then I realized: if no mob was near to me, the game was targeting my team mates as an enemy.

Watching closely:
* my AoEs hit and damaged the mobs and my team mates
* the controllers pets were attacking me
* the tank successfully hit me
* I was able to target the tank for assassin strike (I noticed and pulled off before landing it).

Next mission was fine and target nearest enemy targetted mobs and I could not target team mates for attacks. Then again in a later mission, I could target and damage team mates. Then it cleared up again.

This is an intermittent bug which I did bug at the time, but it is worth noting for two reasons:

* griefing
* danger to squishies especially on Mo runs

We were lucky, apart from the scrapper getting the worse of my def debuff and AoEs in mission one, none of us killed one another or did huge amounts of damage.

But please fix this, this is a MAJOR problem. If this is WAI, then I'd like to know you were instigating random PvP because PvP isn't how I roll. (Yes, my main is a stalker and I don't PvP, thank you. )

I've ran a LOT of MoLGs and not had this problem so it's appeared with GR.

I don't PvP but I love my SS/INV tank. Check out Call Me Awesome's guides because they are great reading.

Blaster elec has Tesla Cage which is quite handy. I have elec paired with fire on my blaster and it's a nice little power. In fact the mini-stuns are handy from Short Circuit. I was playing with a 'sapper' build Blaster and that was highly survivable. You don't get hit much if they don't have endurance. No idea about the cost though.

And much as I hate to suggest anything with KB; energy? But please, please for every melee char out there; learn to use the KB effectively in a team.

Absolutely cannot disagree with the control /dark gives you though. I have a fire/dark corr and he is a little monster.

Here's the perspective of someone who started some alts on Tri (and moved a 50 over with the last lot of server transfers), stayed for a bit and has now moved most of the characters off again. (Just left a few so I can play if all the West coast servers go down.)

I'm used to a 'quiet' server but I'm also used to being able to find teams. When my friends quit, I used the channels to find teams and TFs. Eventually I got invited to private channels too. (For example, on another server I get teams/TFs from four channels of which three are private.)

On Tri, I joined TW 2.0 and TW 2.1 from the start. I also added Triumph LFG before I made a final decision to leave. My experience of the channels was pretty poor. They are more akin to a rec room than a place to find teams (IMO, YMMV).

When the tab lights up I want to see either a good chance to do a TF or SF, an interesting discussion on powers or sometimes some amusingly bad MT. Reams of "no u" and "PL meh" don't entertain me. I don't care if you have twice as many vet badges as me, that doesn't mean I want to read you spamming because you were in the initial beta. I want to see someone LFG in the public channels so I can get known and join others!

I've met a couple of lovely people on Tri but not enough to make me stay and deal with the clique. Each server does have it's own flavour and Triumph is no more appealing to me than Freedom but for very different reasons.

I'm certain the response from most members will be "ololo get lost good riddance" and feel free to post that because I have no need to visit this sub again.

However, for those of you who do care; there is an honest (and unwelcome) opinion from someone new to this server and who really wanted to like it. I hope it's a exception rather than the rule because if not Tri WILL die as new people move off this server (hopefully not the game) and long term players leave the game.

Many thanks *sets alarms*.

You might want to do a CoHelper log and post that. It's pretty important to know what your card is etc. I don't know if they fixed it but IIRC ambient occlusion didn't play nice with another setting on ATIs.

Just a thought. Pretty sure someone more techy than I will be along shortly.

I have the opposite problem. CoH/CoV are fine. Praetoria is a tad laggy and requires shadows to be on the lowest but one setting (down from where I can play CoH/CoV just fine) but an interior map in Praet with all the computer monitors just stinks. Fiddling with the settings on that mission doesn't seem to help at all. I hope they fix that; at this point I'd rather start in CoH/CoV than deal with that.

Not having a travel power is something I've toyed with on my main (I'm very short on power slots) but being my main and therefore my badger, I don't fancy doing Master runs without a travel power. Do any of you have issues on Master runs and having no access to flight packs or ninja run?

She has MoLG, MoITF but the thought of MoCuda, MoLR, MoKhan MoStates (the jumping off the sub ewww) .... hmm.

I just realized that I couldn't join this. My main and my badger is a stalker. She is currently Rogue and can't enter the SGs.

Which adds one extra level of suck to the way they've implemented SG/VG entrance in this issue for Vigs/Rogues.

I wish you all the best of luck but it looks like I'll be waiting for the redside running. Or for someone to realize how dumb it really is that Rogues/Vigs can't enter the base of a team-leader when on the other side.

(Unless this works like a co-op TF like ITF or LG?)

Is this on for tomorrow? (Assuming I remember for once. )

It is nice to be able to market there without six superspeeds, five hastens, four auras of varying degree, three lots of MM pets, two random buffers and a partridge in a pear tree.

Suppression would be nice, as would leaving sprint/ninja run active. However, if the choice is like Praetoria Trading house or the existing WW/BM then I will take the Trading house. It was a pleasant surprise and the only query I have is would it be possible to move the staff nearer the door. It's a lovely room but yes they are a tad far away with base level travel.

Additionally, implementing the same system at all tailors would be a welcome improvement. (And while we're at it, could we PLEASE do something about the lighting in the tailors; it's horrible.)

Hope you have a nice day. And get a badge

Welcome to the best server in the land!

Ignore people who say this place is dead; if you use the channels effectively and talk to people to build up a global list and not be a tool when you're on a team so you get invited again, you'll rarely be short of a team mate when you want one. I'm on UK time and so I'm working around a time difference and it's rare my global is empty or there isn't something to do if I want to.

As others have said, we're pretty friendly and helpful. You just have to get out there and meet us.*

Start off by joining Guardian channel - send an offline message to @Stargazer if no one is online to unsilence you.

That's 3am to me.

Stick me down as an alt please with Capa (stalker) I'd like to run it only for the badge but if I'm asleep, I'm asleep.

I'd recommend anyone wanting to do CoP, pop over and sign up in Ariels' thread. My SG/VG are solo so I don't have three team leaders and frankly I wouldn't want to lead something that I know very little about.

I will be setting up more Early Bird runs when the Praet dust settles. This week I am getting Capa the exp/history badges blue side (she's already there) and working on getting quite a few chars to Rogue/Vig. (This mornings project being a particularly painful one - Mind/FF Controller solo.)

Also have a lot of chars to move around servers now the store is back up.

Eventually the Praet I made Monday will advance past level 2.

There's a stickied thread at the top of this forum which says "Dream Team Mothership Raids". Perhaps a perusal of that would be in order?*

Oh nuts.

Thanks BB. Looks like I am going to be doing it. Ugh.

Not sure why you're telling me what a serial code is. I buy a booster/time card/GR/City of X game and I get a code. I am perfectly aware of that.

As far as I can see - and experiences in this thread - that code is region specific. An item bought on the USA part of the NCSoft store can only be applied to the USA account. (Vice versa in the OPs case.)

Now Avatea is contradicting that and this was the end of a long PM exchange, where I made certain she understood what I meant about buying from outside the US from the UK part of the site (EG not in $ but in £) to apply to the US account. I even mentioned that if these items are cross-region it should say so on the website and not put "(Europe)" or "USA version available" on there. She agreed and said she'd ask the web people to change that.

If that is the case then it would make life a lot easier, because NCSoft automatically picks your location from your IP rather than let you choose the region. I have to jump through hoops every time there is a booster. But I don't fancy having to email/phone support to sort out a code issue because I strongly suspect they'll tell me "well you shouldn't have bought it from the EU section - user error, not our fault".

At the very least, it's really poor marketing/customer service to have to make people jump through hoops. Unless they're trying to drive their EU players away (irrespective of which server they play on) because there isn't even a box version to buy on the shelf over here. My options are online or wait and pay extra to have a box shipped from Amazon.com or something.


EDIT:
That PM I posted was approx 24th June 2010.

I am a UK player on US servers. I have had payments bounced as 'fraud protection' from my bank not NCSoft because I was buying in USD not GBP.*

I questioned the serial codes regions and got this via PM:

Has the HP change to tanks been incorporated?
"Increased Tanker Maximum Health multiplier from 2 to 2.2. At level 50, this means a Tanker's maximum health when buffed increases from 3213 to 3534."
from here?

In advanced totals, my tank seems to still be showing a max of 3212.60 capped from a max of 3431.8.*

I have on occasion been dragged into Vent/Skype; some fine, some bad but none are 'outstanding'. For me it doesn't add to the gaming experience.

"Voice is good for Mo run coordination". Well every successful Mo run I have been on, didn't use voice, every unsuccessful one did use it; whether I was on call or not. As I yelled in team chat once "I'm not on voice, so give me some instructions, I'm not psychic". Leading my own Master runs I never use voice. My wall o' text instructions worked fine. Undoubtedly better than seven people trying to understand my accent or being distracted by whatever TV show they watch.

Unpleasant convos; I have actually put the phone down on people. Off colour 'jokes' with people you know well is fine, but I just got here. Perhaps ascertain I'm not pre-pubescent before commencing with the potty jokes?

Plus if things are going badly, you do NOT want to hear some of the words I'm using. My family are truck drivers; I have an expansive and inventive vocabulary on occasion. I can restrain myself from going ballistic in team chat, but on voice I assure you I'm questioning the parentage and grand-parentage of a team member who is displaying some particularly rear hatting behaviour.*

For me I also find it difficult to work out who is speaking. "To me". Ok and you are .....

Sometimes I just don't want to wear headphones. Or hear a voice. Yes I'm anti-social.

Voice works for some, not for others. I'm one of the latter.