Caemgen

Having not been started on July 8th of last year, I ding this all kind of pointless...

Welcome Back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVS3W...=youtube_gdata

Actually Caemgen wouldn't be my first choice to make a movie out of... He's got to much of a broody/angst thing going on and those kind of movies have been done to death Besides, I still haven't really fleshed out his full story yet...

I'd make a movie of my character Fenian...


The basic story would tell the tale of how/why she decided to actually start using her powers. The powers caused her to run away from home at an early age and she faced many/all the troubles a 15 year old would face trying to make it on their own. However, she manages to build up a strange little family around herself including her lover, the director of the naughty films she acts in and various other members o that "community." It's not the perfect life but she's found some happiness... At least until the Family tries to muscle in on her town, threatening her little bit of happiness. She comes to decide the only way to get rid of the Family (and protect her family) is to kick them the heck out of dodge.

The film would probably end on a mixed note... She's successful (if bruised) in her struggle against the Family and has shown them her town wouldn't be profitable for them after all, but she's also made an enemy out of them and the Family doesn't forget grudges - profits or not! So while she basks in the glow of having saved her little family she also knows that if she stays with them she'll just be bringing trouble back onto their heads...

I view Fenian as a lower powered hero... So even with her powers taking on the Family would be a real, gritty kind of battle. She's not there to save the world from cosmic powered would be gods but she can damn well take care of her own streets!

New Stuff already, this time in more classic Superhero type art

The following were all done by Snareser who is over there on Deviant Art...







Not totally in love with how Caemgen's face and hair turned out but overall I'm pretty happy with there And I must say, the turnaround time was amazingly quick...

How exactly does one double post 12 minutes apart?

Have a happy!

And the latest are by Clap-san from over at Deviant Art. Comic book art is not his typical style at all... He was a bit hesitant to tackle my trio at first but agreed to give it a try. His style definitely shines through on these pieces.







(Hopefully these images are ok, didn't get the hi-res copies yet... And I may come back and have more to say about these later but right now I have to scoot and go get ready to watch the USA vs Canada hockey game for the gold!)

HELP!!

These maniacs are holding me against my will and threatening to drag me across the universe to attack some aliens or something... They claim my magical powers are needed. I keep telling these wacko's that the quater behind the ear and I got your nose tricks are just slieght of hand but they won't believe me!!

Please, please, please read this before you shove it in the time capsul and send someone to get me away from these nutjobs!!!

Signed,
Marvin the Marvelous - Stage Magicians
Available for Birthdays and Bah Mitzvahs
Local Jobs Only!

I'm picturing Mel as a meat doctor, Flo as a member of the Carnival and Vera as one of those citizens who is always running around in a panic, even after you've cleared the room.

Wow, drama on the Internet... Go figure*

Anyway, this will be my final comments on this bruhaha as I want to take one last stab at clearing a couple things up but have no desire to have a lengthy debate on what boils down to personal opinions and tastes...*

Art is always subjective. What one person likes may not work for the next person. Each may be able to clearly point out why they do or do not like a particular piece of art and even when they disagree on a specific point it doesn't neccessarily make one person right or wrong. Art is art. It is not math where there is a right and wrong answer. It is not science with provable facts. If art was NOT subjective then there would be no point to have voting in a contest.

Part of the subjective nature of art also means that some likes and dislikes of an individual may not be based in cleary explainable thoughts or points but may be more emotional or gut reactive... Just as you cannot convince a person to fall in love with another (they either feel it or they don't, facts won't change it) so too is art often liked or not on a more indefinable basis.

I have no problem with people feeling I am wrong for going hardcore on the theme to decide who got my votes. It was a theme, not a strict assignment, so there was some leeway for the artists to explore as they saw fit. My choice to kind of limit myself to the most strict definition was arbitrary and thus I see no problem with people disagreeing with me on that...

I would like to point out again, however, that I only came to this arbitrary, self imposed limitation after the month became a non elimination month and immunity was all but in the bag. Basically after I felt my vote had little or no relevance. That being the case I decided to make things easy on myself and hold myself strictly to the most strident interpretation of the theme... If portions of what was being voted for were still in doubt I would have judged on a different basis...

"For this month's theme, I'm looking for some classic pin-ups." - Wassy

Sure, she went on to allow artists to stretch the theme and as Fan Art Mistress that is totally her right. However, I also believe it is my right to make my judgements on the basis of what I like and dislike, what I felt best fit the theme and what I ft strayed too far and which arts I liked best based on my own feelings, opinions and likes. Sorry that so many of you disagree.

I suppose I could have just kept my mouth shut and voted for myself and the people I liked best... Or shut up and voted for people I thought would be easy to beat down the line... Or whatever. That just isn't me though. I will vote for those I think did the best job. Period. That includes a combination of best fitting the theme and best art.

Some disagree with how strictly I enforced fitting the theme and that is fine. Personally I have more problem with those who base their votes on things that have nothing to do with talent of fitting the theme but since the board citizenry isn't up in arms over those people I guess I am the only one...

Ah well, that's my general thoughts on the topic, now to get to specifics..*

Battlewraith/Frozendeath*
On the cropping issue:
As I said before, to me Eddy Swan's cropping appears to have been an artistic decision while Dan's seemed to come off more unfinished than choice. This is my interpretation of how it looks and I could easily be wrong... However, I can only go by what I see and how I see it, how it works for me. Unless we're going to hold interview sessions with each artist to delve into their thoughts and intents I'm not sure what else I should do.

And sure, both cropped... Both used the same technique in essence. Are you going to tell me that two different artists using the same technique inevitably pull it off equally as well?because the difference between the two, in my opinion, is how well they pulled it off.

Spiral PTterns and Quick Reads
First off, I apologize for not being sophisticated enough to properly hold opinions and thoughts on art. However I do not believe sophistication was a requirement for voting in the contest. I thought Wassy's rule was pretty much just that you had to have a message board account...

Snarkiness aside, I wish to express again how much I really liked your art. I thought all of the elements were done exceptionally well and I loved the added touches. Hell, I've admired your arts since I came to these boards and have been eagerly waiting for you to open up for commissions...

But your explanation of the spiral pattern just kind of proves to me why I didn't feel your piece was one which best fit this months theme. To me, a pin up should focus on the subject - generally the girl. As was your intent, my focus moved around the picture instead, drawing focus from the girl. It is a great work of art just not, in my opinion, one of the best pin ups.

I respect your right to disagree with me going with the strictest adherance to the pin up theme... However, even with the looser theme I probably would have kept in mind if the elimination for the month wasn't eliminated and immunity all but decided, I'm still not sure I would have thought your piece fit the theme...

The theme was pin ups and was open to loose interpretations of pin ups and related materials but to me your piece is in action scene. An action scene with a hot chick as the main subject and with some comedic elements thrown in but not, to me, a pin up.*

Well, I suppose it is a pin up in the comic book sense of a pin up being a page or pages basically designed to be taken out and put up on a wall but Wassy expressed that she meant classic pin ups -"For this month's theme, I'm looking for some classic pin-ups. I'm thinking along the lines of Alberto Vargas (or Olivia DeBerardinis for a recent example). Think fantasy, cheesecake, frivolity, playfulness." and I personally feel you strayed too far from that field...

I hope you understand that there is nothing personal in my voting or decision making process. I have absolutely no problem with you and am always glad to see your arts, your comments and even your libestreams when I can make them. I find you very interesting and knowledgable. I respect your right to hold different views, opinions, feelings and beliefs than I do... *And I most definitely grant you are more knowledgeable about art than I am. That being the case I still bieve my thoughts, opinions and feelings are valid. They may not be right but then again I believe there is very little absolute right or wrong when it comes to individuals likes or dislikes of art... Though I could be wrong about that...

Aggelakis
First off, I do not believe that is an actual quote of mine. There are ways to quote someone and yet indicate that's parts of the actual quote were changed for the sake of brevity, comedy or whatever. *I would appreciate that courtesy in the future. I can get enough heat for my own words, I don't need extra for being misquoted.

Secondly, this was indeed pin up month.

Hmph, ya, does seem kind of harsh pin up only rule I imposed there... But once this became a non-elimination month I just decided to make it easy on myself...

And hopefully you don't take me calling you art a scene rather than a pin up as some kind of insult... Like I said, I loved the piece and all the details in it from the pong on the TV set to the hula hoops and donut. My point was kind of that the whole scene is something that deserves attention where as in a pin up it should pretty much just be the model that has your eye lingering...

1) Clutch
2) Lousy Day
3) Eddy Swan

1+2 basically came down to a coin flip... but in the end how can I not vote for lesbian spanking???

I pretty much threw out any pic that had more than the pin up itself. I know it was just a theme and it wasn't restricted to pure pin ups but that was what I wanted to see. *shrug* Unfortunately most felt the need to add more than just the hot chick in a tantalizing pose... Well, maybe fortunately, it did make my choices easier.

CR - You may have edged out Eddy if you hadn't included the schedule book... And some kind of background would probably have helped as well.

Battlewraith - I love your pic but to me it's more of a scene than a pin up.

Pyro - Very nice job, actually a bit better than I expected. (err, I mean that in a good way!) The pic had a kind of naughty postacrd feel to it which didn't neccessarily get it out of the running for me but I think you lost some points in my head since I'd recently seen a Naughty Nadya pic that had a similiar theme.

U-Naught - I like the calander idea though I think it would have been better if the calendar part was included more, kind of looked odd just having the top part of first row... Also, Brutal Wendy looks more quirky than hot to me.

Cresent - Errr, the churning butter thing kind of threw me... Also, without the comments, I just didn't see a CoH connection besides the logo on the butter churn and that just seemed too thrown on to count for me - CoH (in my mind) should be a real part of the work, not an add on.

Happy Dan - I think I mentioned before that this has a Rosie the Riveter feel to me, which is good, but you were up against some stiff competition... I also think even the lack of suggestion of legs didn't work well for me. *shrug*

Johnny Kat - I really like the merging of Carnival and Pirate, that worked really well... But I just didn't feel it was needed for this. Carnival chicks are hot enough as is... I also think the sexiness factor could have been more prominent.

Toxic Shia - Nice work, nice pose, nice subject matter... Just didn't quite pop enough for me. I think I would have prefered less words and some kind of background...

Frost - Great idea and execution, but like I mentioned earlier, I was personally looking for more pure pin up. (Kind of hypocritical considering my entry, I know... But I didn't vote for me either)

Implicit Bookcarrier - Making me think of Yoko Ono is not going to help me like your pin up Neither is man butt! But still you pulled it off well.

Juggertha - I thought this was hilarious and a great take on the theme... Greatly executed. To me though, amatuer porn and pin ups are two different beasts. Another theme and you'd have been right up there in the running with this pic...

Bubbawheat - This seemed more like a celebrity scandal rag than a pin up magazine to me... Like their photographers were trying to catch incriminating photos rather than posed glamour shots. And since I had a very strict pin up kind of vibe in my head... *shrug* I like the concept though... I also think you may have benefited from using shots from more than just that one chick...

Scooter Two - Nicely done but I think you would have benefited by finding a way to make Swan pop out from the rest of the pic a bit more. I'm not exactly sure what to suggest, maybe a darker background or something? Not sure, but I think with her being so pale and with the white costume, she's almost overlooked in the pic...


Anyway, just figured I'd share my thoughts. Take them or leave them as you see fit, I'm by no means a qualified critic

VexX - Be gentle with him, he's not as tough as he looks

CR - you don't check this thread first thing every day?? *gasp*

Yeah, these days all artists get link to the Cae photobucket gallery as well as direct links to the full size avatar pic and to the horn reference you did. I also mention the nose, the knotwork and... Err, maybe that's it? But while I do stress these things I also invite them to feel free to put their own spin on things. Within reason.

I just figure if I wanted the same exact thing over and over it would be easier to hire one guy full time . I like seeing them in different styles and through different artists eyes... If not for that I probably would have left nose slide forever, wouldn't have made the knotwork (or some nod to it) a requirement, etc... Hell I'm still looking for the perfect wings, I've yet to fall in love with any artists version of them yet..

Course I am almost tempted to have a pic done of Nemesis or someone ripping them off him, while I like the wings in art, in game I find them a bit too big and obtrusive... I usually switch to a bat winged or a cape costume during battles so the don't distract me...

Heh, you really must have been sick what with it taking you this long to point out the horns! . (hope you're all recuperated and stuff now though!)

Yeah, he didn't nail those dead on but I think they really work in this piece... I have no problem with artists taking some liberties as long as they look cool and so long as they keep the flavor of the character. I think when an artist just uses generic horns with no curve at all that it's probably just laziness and I'll ask for a fix but here, to me at least, it seems he wanted the horns kind of spread out and open as if ready for a fight, as if trying to look more intimidating... Sure they don't really flex or move but *shrug* I think the horns here are more artistic license than wrong...

As for Fenian's lips... They did seem a bit odd to me at first but I think she's supposed to be doing one of those Ooops! looks where she has her lips puckered but also scrunched over to one side... I think it'll come across better colored. Least I'm hoping so because I real quickly grew to love that expression on her face...

As for the scarf/dress thing, you're taling how the scarf seems to flow into the one pattern part of the skirt, right? Hadn't noticed before... Probably shouldn't be a problem unless the colors are spot on... As for the neck/collar thong, not sure what ya mean but will look again once home...