Caemgen

This means I get to spank her, right???

Happy Birthday VexXxa!!!!

Cool!

Mine took a few days? Maybe a week? But I caught him last minute before closed the offer last time... So the lesson is if you want it quick jump in quick!!

Quite possibly not available to players? I think I've seen similiar for us but the way that rides the hips it may be a custom bit for that npc...

"Hey, how you doing? Y'know, you have the worst taste and style of all the idiots across the world who play this game! I'll be laughing at you for weeks! Thanks for the amusement, here's some cash... Oh, and tell your mom I said hi!"

It's cruel and insulting... I like it! Almost worth visiting that server for...

While a couple may have had very quick turnaround Of a few hours or less, I do not think that is the standard. He's not slow or anything, but I do think you benefitted from him having a clean in box...


And sheesh, pretty soon I'll need a DVR for the forums so I can skip the ads

Don't feel too bad about your photography... for writers to be artists they have to come up with their own language or they're just copying the words and sentence structures other people made up!

Yeah well I suck at accepting gifts, always have but while I didn't ask for the horn sketches to help other artists get it right, I did ask for more general help on how to explain it pffffft!

As fot stopping acquiring, I am trying to slow down a bit at least I actually do intend to try to not order more until I get some turn arounds but I do still have over a dozen artists with orders pending... (15 I think? And I actually expect 12 to fulfil the orders...)

But if you REALLY wanted to help out with the turnarounds I certainly wouldn't stop ya!! Though you may find yourself costarring in some future arts.... (like that was farfetched anyway...)

Personally I am not too concerned with someone who wins their way back in winning out over someone who was is the whole time... This idea was floated before or right near the start of the contest so everyone knew it was a possibility.

There is also plenty of months left so it's not like they are swooping in at the end and only having to produce one or two good works to win the whole shebang. At most they missed 3 months, no?

If it was that major concern, August could always be another win your way back in month for those who get eliminated for April though July... Or even August, depending how winning your way back in is done.

As for how to implement it, I say a special vote for them during next month... In other words, anyone trying to win their way back in must do May's theme and a special vote will be taken on just the entries from those wanting to return. The winner gets put back in.

In August that vote could come after teh August Elimination and whoever was eliminated there could also have their entry automatically included in the special election so they'd have a shot at continuing... In fact I'd be suprised if they didn't get a lot of sympathy votes in that case...


But I think we have the cart before the horse here. I think first we should see how many who are out for one reason or another would like to win their way back in... If none or just one or two do then it's probably pointless to bother. If a handful do, then it's a viable option.

*nods*

I was mainly talking to VexXxa... She seemed very harsh mistressy... Not that I mind that per se

I work so can't make it... it does sound fun

Though, I must say, it may have been nice for you to either hook up with VexXxa on the idea or run at a different time or day than she normally does..

Meep?!?

Didn't mean to be insensitive there, had no clue on who stood where... But dude, voting isn't over yet!!

I think Tarty just ran off to tally the votes and see where he stands!

I was actually so smart I skipped that age

But the point isn't to answer each question so much as to provide possible points for discussion from each scenario... For example I can easily see people saying all was good in scenario 1 since it was a school project and thus educational but do they feel the same way when entered in a contest with prizes? Or when it may be used in an ad... I think the different uses may cause different answers and I think that may be where some of the grey area is...

Ok, perhaps the discussion about references and copying and fair use and such would move along better if there were some situations posted which various people could comment on in regards to if it's "ok" or not and why...

I doubt I'm the best person to think of different situations but I'll do it anyway . Of course if others have trickier situations they'd like to ask about well feel free...

1) In high school I was considered an art major (I know, hard to believe) and one of our projects was to make a poster for a localish contest (a regional bank was sponsoring.) The theme was basically a "make Buffalo look good" kind of thing, community spirit, whatever...

My poster consisted of the outline of a charging buffalo divided into 7 or 8 different windows. Inside each window was depicted a different scene: the skyline, the waterfront, a hockey player, a shot of the sponsoring bank (had very distinctive look) and whatever else I used...

The medium was... Err, ibdont recall. This cellophane type colored stuff I cut with an exacto knife to color all the scenes... Gah, why the he'll I chose that stuff I've no idea, very exacting and tedious!! Anyway, you cut out the shape, applied to poster board and it stuck... No idea anymore the name of it...

Getting back on point - every little window/scene was taken from a photograph. Some published in local paper, some off the Internet, etc... Now due to the medium these were obviously not exact copies (though I did my best) and the size and shape of the windows meant I was pretty much just using a part of any one photo, not the whole thing... But I wasn't trying to change anything I did include...

So, is this permissable or no?*

It was a school project but was also to submit to a contest in which the winner would be rewarded and the poster possibly used in an ad campaign...

It was all copied but still reshaped, repackaged and done in a different medium.., does any of that matter?



2) I want to commission a piece of art of Caemgen flying amongst the buildings and skyscrapers of New York City... The artist I'm hiring is from Latvia and needs references if they are to do more than just a generic city... I definitely want this to be NYC so I ask them to use a specific picture I send them that contains a couple iconic buildings.*

Is the artist wrong from copying the reference exactly? Even if I specifically asked for that? Does where the picture of the buildings came from make a difference? Obviously yes if I took it but what if it's just something I found on the Internet? What if from a newspaper article? What if from a photobook of NYC skylines?

Should the artist refuse such work? What if I told him I wanted to use it to advertise my pizza shop? Or to print on tshirts for sale? What if I just wanted for on the wall of my own room??


3) One if my favorite all time comic arts us the picture of Wolverine on his knees, arms to the sides claws extended, head thrown back in an agonized howl.. *First time I recall seeing this I think was where a brood egg or whatever was hatching inside him, his skin got that kind of plated texture to it... But seen the pose A LOT since and I think it's one of those iconic poses definitely identified with a specific character...

Can an artist use it for someone else? A non Marvel artist?? Does having it ge a totally different character matter? Does changing the angle we see the character from?? And if so, how different does the character have to be? How different the angle???


Anyway, like I said, I just thought some scenarious to discuss might actually move the discussion to... Well, a discussion. Right now it seems stuck at the same stage it's been in fir a day or so...

If you want to discuss, go ahead, if you'd rather just debate who is stalling the discussion, you can do that too..,

*shrug*


Hmph, see Kai's questions kind of kick started things already... Well I went through all the bother of typing this all out on my phone so I'm still posting it, demmit!!

Tarty - go back and reread the first post - this is NOT a non-elimination month.

She stated there's plenty of entrants left to go forth with eliminations and I must say I agree... If we kept going with no eliminations it would be too tempting for some artists to slack off and submit just something... *shrug*

Awww, c'mon, go easy on the kitty... While I agree that posting ongoing scores and campaigning for votes should be off limits I do believe that Amerikatt meant no harm (or real persuasion) but rather was just being her usual wide eyed innocent (though self promoting self)...

Id just like to point out that I have no problem with theft or murder... Well not so long as I'm not being the one stolen from or killed. Or so long as it's not anyone I care about...

If I just know the victim I probably don't care but I will act like it's a shame in front of others. Have to keep up appearances and all that, y'know...

Errr, well even if I don't know the victims I suppose it could still affect me in some way... So let's go with I have no problem with it so long as it doesn't affect me in any way that I know about... If it affects me in ways I don't know about how could I care??

But, but... It could have a positive effect! I'd be more ok with that I guess...

Errr, been messing up affect and effect but don't feel like fixing...


Anyway, the minor point I have is that OF COURSE there ate varying opinions and values about everything. To ask for proof is silly. You need proof some people have no problem with murder, look up the murder stats of major cities. Or check out the abortion debate - the fact that there is a debate of wether or not that is murder proves there are different values and opinions on murder...

As for what most scholars and such believe, I'll buy their judgements and values on things in their field of scholarly scholaring are likely a lot closer together than the general unwashed masses opinion on murder but if there is no variance what so ever between then, no shades of grey, then I must believe that they've all been brainwashed or exchanged with pod people... Opinions vary, specially on subjective matters. Values differ, no matter how close they are there's always some line one will cross but the other won't...

*shrug*

not sure why I'm bothering since I don't really care about this debate since it doesn't really matter to my life but I'm at work and bored and that probably explains it...

Beautiful piece - congrats!!!

Stop inserting calm, reasonable discussion in this thread! It's ruining my enjoyment of viewing the two immovable objects pushing at each other!!