Caemgen

I still think a good compromise would be to have Sales & Deals be the final part of The Network.

People go to the Network when looking for artists already, right? So they can then check out the current deals at the same time... So the info would be available.

At the same time, we wouldn't have the BBQ billboard in the food court problem. We wouldn't have the "impulse" buyers see the thread, see a sale and jump on it rather than look around at all that is available...

Honestly I can totally understand both sides on this one andthink that may work for both.

I see nothing in that rule that mentions alive or dead... Answering the phone is just for style points. I'd say if they made it onto the concrete slab they made it onto the slab. Corpse flinging for the win!

So far I hired... errr.. give me a second to count, it's not easy when drunk... 6 artists? Paid upfront with 4 and waited on the other 2 because that's what they wanted. Maybe it's naive but I've been trusting so far and figure I'll remain that way in this arena until I get burned.

Of the 6 I have finished product from 1, at least initial rough sketches from 3 and one of the last two was too recent a hire to expect anything from yet... The final one has been a bit quiet but I am not worrying - They've had distractions plus I'm a pretty patient sort of chap.

And though I am by no means worried... What does one do when stiffed on a piece? From either side of the hire? Is there a black list somewhere? A board where people could post their complaints? I kind of assume someone here ranting that they got stiffed on a commission on these board would be frowned on by the mods...

Just for that you no longer get two votes!!!

One of my favorite stories about was one I saw on TV about a guy who draws money. Cash. American currency. And buys stuff with it!

He does the art right there in front of people so they know it's not real... But it's amazingly detailed and realistic... He'll go into a normal store and try to buy groceries and stuff with it. Was very cool... Depending just how much he was trying to buy I just might let him if it was my place... (Saw this years and years ago... when US money was just one color. No idea on what artists name was...)


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I see nothing wrong with charging less because it's something you enjoy doing. I say bravo for giving the less monied a chance at great arts!

I would consider suggesting charging more "what it's worth" occasionally... Maybe some months earn yourself some cash, others bring your art to the masses. I see problems with that but something could probably be worked out...

I wouldn't suggest that because I think you are undervaluing yourself or such but merely because most people need money and if you can earn a bit of extra scratch doing what you love occasionally I see nothing wrong with that.

Of course if you don't need the money/have plenty to spare then nevermind

I don't think an artist must provide any free art to be part of the community... It's nice when they do but I myself consider them part as long as they take part in the occasional discusion... Share their work (whether it was done as a gift or not) and are just generally around...

Nobody should have to give anything for free. Art takes time, effort and money (either through supplies or potential lost time working for paying customers.) It's great if they can donate occasionally but if not that's cool by me too.


ok, I think I'm caught up with all my inane comments

I'll give you enough artistic license to only vote once I suppose...

The Bills suck to bad at this point to ever leave...

Oh. wait a minute. You're not talking football... Nevermind.

Speaking for myself, it didn't rub me in the wrong way at all. I mearly thought they were interesting topics and wanted to add my thoughts without totally hijacking the thread.

Well if you did it to purposefully sabotage Foo's sale then I would think you were a total butt.

If it was done as an aid to the community who want to buy arts (like I believe TA's is) then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Personally, I would jump on Foo's sale first because he's a local. Similiar style and price, I'll buy in the community.

But I can sort of see the argument that TA is leading people away form local artists... But I guess I just figure freedom of choice is more important than keeping those who haven't found DA a captive audience.

Maybe it would be better if the Sales and Deals were made as an addition to the Resource thread... That way it would be available but wouldn't neccessarily be a huge glowing sign luring people to it... Yet at the same time be available to those actively seeking artists... Seems that it might be a compromise to me.

As I was writing the above ramble I had no completed commissions... Though I did recieve Mr. Swan's brilliant piece before I posted. (I'd link it but it's linked in his thread already and I haven't yet put on my own DA page...)

But, I do believe you're talking about the masterpiece I turned into my avatar... While I love that and think it would be tough for anyone to upsurp it's place as the definitive face of Caemgen, it is not a commission. That was a gift art and as such will always have a special greatness to it that a paid for work wouldn't (ok, ok [/sappyness])

Maybe I'm being nitpicky? But you know I think it's awesome, I just didn't include that in the list since it wasn't for hire work.

And by the by, I didn't intend the comment about stuff in the pipeline but nothing done yet to mean impatience at all.... I've no problem with the wait, I just was thinking about how much I purchased in so short a time.


Juggertha - I don't believe there are many around who wouldn't recognize your right to call yourself an artist

As for perfection in pieces... I doubt anyone can claim to have achieved it. I'm sure there is not a piece of art that someone couldn't find some flaw or fault with.

Jophiel - I think the "mental budget" concept is very true. No matter how great the artist and how worth they are the price they are asking... There's only so much I will spend on art for a character in a game.

As for contact with artists, I don't pay too much attention to sigs either. I have them turned on and I enjoy seeing them... And they may get me to check out a gallery. But I'm more likely to notice a "local artist" through them posting to show off their latest or through the Fan Art Challenge or that kind of thing. Actual interaction on boards... Not that I have to chat with them but it's nice to see them active.


Eddy & CR - Double XP is over - you may commence your posting

Suichiro - You are correct. Every artist will be different just as every customer. Heck, every deal. I've already gone from "I want a pose like this" and providing examples to "Choose which character you wnat and have fun." I suppose it would be intereting to see why some buyers are so loose or strict with what they want and why some artists enjoy/deon't enjoy the freedom to cut loose...

+1

Except... err, there are Rep Farming threads????

Gawd, I'm glad I don't stray far from this forum!