BunnyAnomaly

I hadn't realised how little end reduction they have. Thanks for pointing that out.

I currently recharge 3.79/second and expend 1.48/second, so a net gain of 2.31/second.

I also have the +endurance proc but I am not sure what the proc rate is on it (it returns 10 stamina).

If I put an 50 IO into Quick Recovery, I get an extra .2/second but I think with 2.31/second gain that should be sufficient. Maybe. I took the 3% resistance unique because I find it unlikely I'll get the will to grind that much.

I actually feel the same way. Tankers can't just be the be all and end all to all of your aggro problems. If they were (and if the Tank is enough to survive on his/her own), then what is the value of control? I know this game is not terribly 'skill based' in the least but completely diminishing the value of it... no thanks.

It's a team effort, and having a single archetype solve all the problems in the world is not a good, fair solution.

Having said that, I would love to see a buff that gives more meaning to having additional Tanks, but not one that eliminates the value in control.

The situation I proposed is that having the second tanker provides, under this situation, minimal benefits. When the first tanker can provide all this additional control (up to 31 people), what is the point of a second? Only when you have more than 31, and that is exceptionally rare, hence the 0.01%.

You are multiplying by 4 in your formula instead of 2. Feel free to actually solve your own formula and see why your answer doesn't equal your equation. I will accept your apology in chocolates.

Please no need to be rude by saying I am not approaching this intelligently.

If you have one tank capable of holding 31 people's interest, what need is there for the additional control? In almost every situation: absolutely none. If you want to buff an archetype, why buff them for 0.01% of the time? You want to look at a general purpose buff that actually applies to real situations.

Also, before you insult someone's intelligence and blow your own horn, you should make sure your formula you write is correct. It is not, however your answer is true.

I tend to find that I herd up pretty much as many people as I can find and there's no room for manouvering, hence why I don't get much value from Shatter. Against just a few enemies, sure you can do a bit of a dance and line them up. But when surrounded by 20 angry Cimerorans... not really.

You'll go wild when you see how good six-slotted crowd control is

Defeated by your own argument. Character =/= numbers, hence why get upset if he picks something that allows him to play the game more easily?

For soloing Energy is actually really, really good. The knockback is huge mitigation.

Unfortunately for teaming it is often abused.

I'd sat for AOE Shatter isn't terribly good. It has a fairly long cast time and the arc of attack is very very narrow. It does do okay damage but not good damage for the time it takes to activate.

You can get away with skipping your T2 attack and just getting the T1, T3 and Clobber, and fill the rest with AOEs. With sufficient recharge slotting you can get away with skipping Shatter altogether but that will mean sacrifices elsewhere.

Clobber does incredible damage. People I think are sometimes stuck on the old Clobber which if I recall correctly was really just a stun. They added a lot of damage to it and it has a fantastic, short recharge.

Here are the unenhanced numbers @ 50 from Mid's (selecting the biggest single target heavy hitter or closest to):

Clobber: 129.9 (105 DPS)
Thunderstrike: 87.2 (26 DPS)
Energy Transfer: 202 (75 DPS)
Total Focus: 158.4 (48 DPS)
Greater Fire Sword: 144.1 (61 DPS)
Seismic Smash: 158.4 (105 DPS)
Knockout Blow (No Rage): 158.4 (71 DPS)
Cleave: 122.8 (52.7 DPS)

In order of DPS:

Clobber/Seismic Smash (tied)
Energy Transfer
Knockout Blow
Greater Firesword
Cleave
Total Focus
Thunderstrike

Ice and Dual Blades don't have a single target attack that can really compete on that scale. Electric Melee can't compare either but I threw that in just so you can get an idea.

Clobber may have lower damage than a few, but its activation time means it is the tied highest damage/second attack (alongside Seismic Smash). Rage will naturally impact this, as will Fire's general DPS from all the rest of its excellent attacks, but to label War Mace is 'low damage' is definitely untrue. Having played War Mace to 50, I must say I never feel even remotely underpowered in damage.

I was about to ask you about that.

My Willpower tank has 3140hp, a ton of set IOs for +health and regen, Numina and Regenerative Tissue uniques, and she has about 65hp/sec standing alone and ~100 hp/sec with 1 enemy. For a level 30 to be so comparable I knew there was some kind of miscalculation happening.