Brimmy

yo von! nice to see you making your way onto heroes! since i play heroes more than villains (and am a severe altoholic) here's your next member! my second account is still down (as you know) but my main account is up and running so i'm more than happy to join in up to you if you want me to bring a higher lvl toon or make a new one... gimme a shout in-game @Brimmy and we'll figure stuff out, will be on from 5.30(ish) gmt+1 (swedish time) and onwards....

woohoo, i've come to a decition about my dear WS, i'm not gonna plan it out at all!! at least not for now, i'm gonna go at it with the never failing trial and error way of life and just whing it! ^^


allthough i will be taking all the advice given with me when i do so, WSs are just to complex to plan out and rather than getting a headache trying to do just that i'm gonna take it as it comes and see how it turns out, like in the good old pre-planner days... .ftw!!!

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3 slotting Health? To be honest I'd drop those into Gravity Well. Most people use it as a hold, but i slot it more like KO Blow from Tanker SS. It's got "superior" damage, and is your highest ST damage attack.

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Never really thought about this as a damagedealing power, atm i'm mainly using it to put an opening hold on voids before i start bashing them to bits. but i'll think about the damage next time i use it

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I even think Stygian Circle is over-slotted, I run on just the default 1xEndmod. That'll completely re-fill my Health off about 2-4 minions, and my End off about 4. If you're going to slot it for something, slot it for Recharge.


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i've found that the slotting i'm using on stygian right now (1 heal 2endmod) is pretty much perfect (for me) especially when soloing and the mobs are smaller/goes down slower than when teaming.

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Hasten not 3 slotted? When you get the big recharges like Extract Essence, Unchain Essence, Quasar, and Eclipse, you'll want Hasten up as much as possible. Consider trying to find 2 more slots for this.


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i must admit i didnt take those high-recharge powers into consideration, usually dont slot hasten more than that 1 original recharge but i agree i'll have to for this

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I think you'd be better off droping the 2 endmods in Dwarf into seperate Endred's in the attacks.


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you might be right on this, when i thought about it at first i thought that endmods in dwarf will help it overall while endreds in the attacks would be a bit tied down, i'll have another headscratcher on that one

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Is the Superspeed to stack with Shadow Cloak? If so, consider swapping it out for Nebulous Form. It's also got a stealth component, but is about 300 times more useful for you as a WS than SS will be. It's not going to save your life, it's not a panic button. BUT it will enable you to get to the centre of a mob, avoid the alpha, and position you nicely for Mires and Eclipse. Worth a thought.


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Yes i am using SS to stack with SC, and as a travelpower (hate TP) and imo having invis in the form i get is better than the stealth+phase from SC+NF since i can still get smack into the middle of a mob but i dont have to detoggle in order to pull of the mire and such thus containing full invis until i activate the power.

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Gravitic Emanation is a great tool aswell, nice Cone disorient, with a high mag KB. So pretty much Energy Torrent with disorient Im currently trying to find the slots on my 44 to finish this off to give it the slots it deserves. Try picking it up a bit earlier.


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i've come to understand just how much i've underestimated Gravitic Emanation, after using it (alot!) i'm really seeing the beauty of it. this will be getting more love i asure you

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Im not entirely sold on the Stamina issue. You could either keep your shields slotted for Endred and drop Stamina, or drop Stamina and keep the endreds.


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this is indeed what have been confusing me the most, trying to decide what to do to get the blue stuff to add up, and i'm still not sure, will probably go with stam, dropping the endreducers.

seriously now, no more acc discussion highjacking, lets stick to the OT or i'll have the thread locked, i dont want to but i made the thread for a reason and this discussion aint it.

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Some people take exception to attacks missing more than others and so it feels like it or your maybe going against high def or your not telling us your still on TOs but with the amount of time you have been in game i think that your possibly taking exception to the misses and they seem to happen alot. If you try herostats you may find a different story to what you feel your getting.

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nah its constant @ 50 have a mix of white/green SO's still miss like a bint. and the toons i have in the 30's area are again white/green.

the only char i never missed on (much) was the ngy/dev, but that was because of 2 acc in attacks and 3tohits tactics, 3 tohits drone. every other toon, such as, say my fire/elec, misses a fair bit, hes got 3acc/3dmg etc >.<

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thats just wierd, my "main" atm (spines/invu) is running 1acc in each attack, just as all my other toons, and i hardly ever miss running on invinc...

and my 50 scrap (katana/regen) doesnt have any accs slotted at all, running purely on FA and hits almost everytime....

anyways, back to topic please, can continue the accuracy discussion on another thread.

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The dwarf is rubbish for damage and its only worth being in the form to get aggro off people and take alphas.

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in my opinion you're wrong here Shannon, as my WS is now (around lvl27 still 3form) i use Dwarf form alot both when teaming and soloing and i find the damage quite good and slotting it isnt gonna make it worse Wether or not you think dwarf has good damage comes down to personal opinion, so saying its rubbish is kinda politically incorrect

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let me know how this works out brimmy. i'm levelling my first warshade at the moment (currently a sneeze away from 20) and am planning to go human/dwarf

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will do, got him at a steady 26 atm, was planning on taking him to 32 during the weekend and then try out some specs on test but my brother's coming to visit so playtime will be at a minimum, but when i've taken him to 32 and done some testing i'll make a post

ppl, please try and keep to the OT, didnt make this thread to crunch numbers

ye i'm using the human attacks alot on the 3form build i have now, only 1acc in them and works fine... i never slot more then 1acc unless its a PvP toon...

hey all, been playing a WS again lately, loving it even more than last time

planning on respeccing at 32-33 into a human/dwarf build but not really sure at how to make it, the way it turned out in my planner seems kinda naff tbh, here it is:

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder - (http://sherksilver.coldfront.net/index.php)
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Name: Human/Dwarf 2
Level: 50
Archetype: Warshade
Primary: Umbral Blast
Secondary: Umbral Aura
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01) --> Shadow Bolt==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(7)
01) --> Absorption==> DmgRes(1)
02) --> Ebon Eye==> Acc(2) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(7)
04) --> Gravity Shield==> EndRdx(4) DmgRes(11) DmgRes(15) DmgRes(19)
06) --> Hasten==> Rechg(6)
08) --> Shadow Blast==> Acc(8) Dmg(9) Dmg(9) Dmg(11)
10) --> Penumbral Shield==> EndRdx(10) DmgRes(15) DmgRes(19) DmgRes(25)
12) --> Sunless Mire==> Acc(12) Rechg(13) Rechg(13) Rechg(40)
14) --> Swift==> Empty(14)
16) --> Twilight Shield==> EndRdx(16) DmgRes(17) DmgRes(17) DmgRes(23)
18) --> Gravity Well==> Acc(18)
20) --> Black Dwarf==> DmgRes(20) DmgRes(21) DmgRes(21) EndMod(31) EndMod(34)
22) --> Stygian Circle==> Heal(22) EndMod(23) EndMod(25) Heal(27)
24) --> Health==> Heal(24) Heal(45) Heal(48)
26) --> Stamina==> EndMod(26) EndMod(27) EndMod(31)
28) --> Unchain Essence==> Acc(28) Dmg(29) Dmg(29) Dmg(31) Rechg(43) Rechg(45)
30) --> Super Speed==> Run(30)
32) --> Dark Extraction==> Acc(32) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Rechg(34) Rechg(34)
35) --> Quasar==> Acc(35) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Rechg(37) Rechg(40)
38) --> Eclipse==> Acc(38) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(39)
41) --> Shadow Cloak==> EndRdx(41)
44) --> Stygian Return==> Rechg(44) Rechg(50)
47) --> Inky Aspect==> Acc(47)
49) --> Gravity Emanation==> Acc(49) Slow(50) Slow(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Shadow Step==> Empty(1)
10) --> Shadow Recall==> Empty(10)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
01) --> Dark Sustenance==> Empty(1)
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20) --> Black Dwarf Strike==> Acc(20) Dmg(42) Dmg(43) Dmg(48)
20) --> Black Dwarf Smite==> Acc(20) Dmg(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(43)
20) --> Black Dwarf Mire==> Acc(20) Rechg(37) Rechg(37) Rechg(40)
20) --> Black Dwarf Drain==> Acc(20) Heal(45) Heal(46) Heal(46) EndRdx(46) EndRdx(48)
20) --> Black Dwarf Step==> EndRdx(20)
20) --> Black Dwarf Antagonize==> Acc(20)
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anyone got any pointers at how to make it come together? remember i'm respeccing it at 32-33 thnx on before hand

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post has kinda grinded to a halt my fault really haven't had much to time to devote to it between work and actually play CoX but had a brainstorm the other day about recording demos of tanker tactics and sets to 'show' our would-be protectors what life is like when you hit the high levels, would also include if i have the time demos of herding tactics, tanking strategies for AV's dependent on your set or just in general would be quite a project...

so would anyone know of a good program for video editing free or otherwise i'll make my decision then

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you could just use the in-game Demo Recording, cant remember the commands for it atm but i'm sure someone else knows them..

Or you can use Fraps, its a free program for video capture, available from www.fraps.com.


Note on Fraps: To do "videos" from the game your gonna need a very good comp spec-wise or it'll lag you to death even when running on the lowest setting.
Not sure about the in-game Demo Record though, never used it myself

as _Finn_ said /sr is quite strong in the higher lvls, its the lower lvls you gotta qorry about

personally i'd ditch the /dark one, having res on a stalker doesnt really fit in (my personal opinion), as you say having a non-def set does make things a bit harder, allthough harder can mean more fun too


but as said, personally i'd ditch the /dark and keep the /nin if those where the choices.


the stalkers i have are both /sr (took /sr bc of the more complete mezz def and Quickness), /nin on the other hand has the in-set heal wich is a very nice bonus and the lack of KB protection can ba taken care off with Acrobatics if its found to be a big issue, another "bonus" /nin has is that it only has 2 Def toggles with the same Defs as /SRs 3 toggles... not to speak of the prettier colours in /nin

i reckon i can throw in a vouch for them too, was in DHP for a while when it had just started out before i went on vacation, forgetting to tell them, and when i came back they where gone but the time i did spend with them was a good one.

Go-go top rank!

actually sounds interesting to join an SG again, especially one that isnt all "high and mighty" but i dont know if i wanna pull a toon out of my "one-man" sg that i've worked so hard on.... i'll think it over and give you a /t if i decide to commit

gratz to yet another one bud, almost thought i'd be having a chance to catch up since you only had 1 more than me but now that you dinged a 5th one... i dont think i will


congaz

Just thought i'd give some info about Stone/Super Strength, going from personal experience...

When i played mine i took him through 3 "stages" when it comes to the build and i dont remember them all so i wont be posting any.

I think this combo is good allround, good for staying alive when tanking at the same time as the damage output is very nice thnx to rage. only Tanker set with def to psi afaik, wich gives it the upper hand in such situations.

Loved playing my stone/ss both in teams and solo and had fun all the way to 50...

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Rock Armor - Defense to smash/lethal, pretty essential power imo, take at lvl 1 slot 3def (1-2 endreduce if you have spare slots)

Stone Skin - Auto power, Resist to smash/lethal, nothing really fancy about this, i didnt take it until i got Granite since this power stacks with it. Take it or dont, not a must have (slotting 1-3 dam res)

Earth's Embrace - Increases your Max HP for a while and Heals, take it and slot it asap 3recharge 3heals

Mudpots - Damage/taunt aura, good power to have for holding aggro a bit better, especially when in Granite and all the powers recharge slower, its a bit heavy on endurance so might wanna wait with getting it until after Stamina. it does minor DoT damage and slow. slotting 1-2acc 2-3endreduce.

Rooted - Mezz protection and +Regeneration take it and love it.. dont have to slot it if you dont want to but if you do put heal enhances in it for +regen survivability goodness (3heal SOs = roughly 194% increase in Regen)

Brimstone Armor - In the midst of all the +Def in this set we have this power, gives Resist to fire/cold damage, yes resist, while lvling my stone/ss i didnt take this at all, managed fine without it. allthough when i took it in a respec after hitting 50 i really enjoyed having it, personal preference really, slotting 3damres (1-2endreduce if you have spare slots)

Crystal Armor - Defense to Energy/Neg. Energy, nice power to have this one, take it when you have room for it, slot 3def (1-2endreduce if you have spare slots)

Minerals - This is a real beauty, Defense to Psi-damage! no real need for it until 40+ though, take it when you can, slot 3def (1-2endreduce if you have spare slots)

Granite Armor - Now here we are, the toggle of all toggles take it, slot it, love it!! gives both Defense and Resist to Smash/lethal/fire/cold/energy/neg. energy as well as mezz protection (mezzprotection stacks with Rooted for extra resist), there are however some "downsides" to this power, due to the "shapeshift" into a huge stoneman you get -Recharge -Speed and -Damage but its nothing a few outside buffs cant handle... slotting can be varied in alot of ways, i first slotted it 2def 2res 2endreduce wich worked really great for me, later on i changed to 3def 3res, make endurance a little more of an issue than before but survivability was increase quite much...



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Jab - cant avoid it, dont slot it...

Punch - kinda semi-good power imo, take it or dont.. slotting 1acc 1-3 dam

Haymaker - good power, high damage + knockdown, slotting 1acc 3dam (1end if you have a spare slot)

Taunt - main aggro tool of a tanker allthough not a total must for tanking i'd say take it as a stoney as you'l be slowed down and cant run around as much without someone giving you Speed Boost. slot 1-2 recharge

Handclap - this power is really pants imo, does PBAoE disorient and knocks the enemies away from you wich kinda negates the whole point of tanking.. dont take...

Knockout Blow - awesome power, extreme damage and foe hold (minions and lts) take it asap, 1acc 3dam (1-2endreduce if you have spare slots)

Rage - "build up" power, gives +dam +acc for 120 seconds followed by a 10second "downtime" when you cant attack and a drop in endurance, i LOVE this power.. slot 3recharge

Hurl - kinda meh power, not much of a damage dealer but gives -Fly with can be useful since you cant jump while Rooted or in Granite. take it if you want it, slot 1acc 1-3 dam

Footstomp - very nice power, PBAoE with good damage and does knockdown, great to have for keeping aggro while doing damage, take it, slot it, love it... i slotted 1acc 2recharge 2end..

Pools:

[u]Fitness:[u]
Swift; take this instead of hurdle, slot 3runspeed to negate the -speed from rooted and granite. Health; gives +Regen, take it, slot it if you want/can.
Stamina; take it asap, slot 3endmod

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Hasten: nice power to have to negate the -recharge from Granite

Super Speed: Travel Power, if you want it go for it

[u] Teleport [u]

Recall Friend/teleport foe: either of these can be used really, doesnt matter imo.

Teleport: nice to have for vertical movement while rooted or in granite, no real need to slot unless you use it as your allround travel power in wich case i'd slot 3range 2-3endreduce


well thats my 2inf worth, hope its to some use, feel free to ask if you got any questions

thnx for that Ele, i've allready decided to go with 3dam 3recharge and it works great even on +lvl enemies, but thanks for the input, nice to see you posting for once!

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Yes its perma...you might want to put a fear duration or two in it aswell though.

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i'll keep them 2 fears in my planner then

while i'm asking things about this set, does Spectral Terror need any further slotting after putting an Acc in the original slot? according to my planner it should be perma as it is (recharge 45 duration 45) is that correct?

okay, 2 ppl saying 3dam 3recharge must be a sign of some sort right? will go for 3dam 3recharge, see how it works out cheers guys

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I found 3 dam and 3 rech to work just fine , but if you notice them to be missing then maybe go for 2 dam , 1 acc and 3 rech.

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okay, i've been thinking in the lines of 1acc 2recharge 3dam, having both hasten and siphon speed i thought the recharge would be pretty nice like that.. think that slotting would work?

as the titles says, would like some advice on how to slot Phantom Army on my Illu/Kin troller


/ Brimmy

on Brimstone i slotted 1acc 2end 2recharge, with rage up the damage is nice enough without slotting imo whilest the endurance cost is a bit nasty ( endcost is 18 iirc )

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Yeah, it's a narrow cone along the lines of Golden Dragonfly.

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imo, this is wrong, i've played witha katana scrapper and a spines scrapper (anda spines stalker) and Ripper is a huge cone compared to GD, on gd they pretty much have to be standing on top of eachother to get the cone effect and ripper is pretty much like any other meele cone. /O-Brim