Brillig
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Quote:How is it that George Lucas hasn't banhammered them yet?Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
The folks over at the Star Wars Galaxies Emulator (SWGEmu) project managed to attain nonprofit organization status, so it isn't unprecedented. -
F that. Do it legal or don't do it at all.
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Quote:That could get to be a problem. Write/email/phone your local congresscritter to get the JOBS act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumpsta...s_Startups_Act) moving.Originally Posted by NeoSaturn
New studio, I would invest in this.
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Quote:I agree. If somehow, magically, the Paragon crew were brought back together, I'd much rather see them apply their talents to a new challenge, not just more CoH.Originally Posted by Steelclaw
To heck with getting the IP from NCSoft.
City of Heroes is/was a wonderful game, but why spend a lot of money just for the sake of bringing back specific NPCs and locales?
Instead of spending money on purchasing pre-existing intellectual property, put ALL the cash into developing a completely NEW franchise. Let's face it, the Paragon Studios team could do it... and do it fairly easily since they're all used to working together.
Purchase/Lease a new engine to run the whole thing in... but this time they will KNOW what they need for upgrades/capabilities from what problems they've been dealing with for the past decade. With proper financial backing, the team could create a completely NEW game.
In fact... I'll submit my resume right this second for that team...
Even if they wouldn't hire me as a writer/character developer... I'd happily accept a position as QA... heck... JANITOR... -
Quote:All I'm saying is that your standards divide businesses into two classes. 1) businesses that you avoid and 2) businesses that haven't had the chance to make you avoid them yet. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just strange that you think the businesses in the first category are in some way unethical.Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
I didn't ask for the game to stay open indefinitely. I did say that I think selling a powerset 10 days before announcing a shut down of the game is pushing the edge of unethical behavior. Whether it crosses a legal threshold or not is completely irrelevant. The fact that some businesses would do the same thing is also irrelevant. Some businesses are willing to screw their customers. These are usually businesses I avoid. End of discussion.
I don't know what it is about the way NCSoft has handled this situation that impresses you so much, but I do think you are someone with minimal expectations, or at least a very literally legal interpretation thereof.
I'm not impressed with how NCSoft has handled the situation, that's just you projecting. Personally, I think I have a pretty realistic appreciation of how businesses operate. It keeps my blood pressure low. -
Quote:Keepin ears to the StreetOriginally Posted by Lonelyshade
Simply put you are a donkey , have no understanding of finanicial fallacy .
Don't worry soon you will be playing a android or iphone game .
So next gen of idiots too short term sighted and very quick slighted .
Puts and calls you beat
No need for grinding time
The sands condense to rhyme
Ahead you think you see
Been there a time or three
Bigger fools been wrong before
Can't count them any more
Fools break mirrors they don't own
Bad fortune that they've never known
Put the glass into your eyes
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Quote:No subs to count.Originally Posted by Lonelyshade
Good everything is jamming first couple of months including rift , let see in 3 months shall we ?
Starting period don't mean a thing anymore for games , secret world , swtor ?
Let see then GW2 server updates and server cost versus the new Iphone/Tablet Gamer generation.
Since they are planning to withdraw from the west , means bad investment for you .
So to invest means pay , paying for virtual goods where they can axe you when they want.
And already proven capable and doing , means only donkeys pay .
GW2 is sales , then earnings from virtual goods . well earnings from virtual goods by a publisher who can axe it anytime they want , means definetly buying air !
What does a quarter matter?
Just a fourth of a dollar.
The almight dollar might be free to pay.
Don't count don't stack them high can't see.
Iphone tablets give you cancer.
Can't see no CoH cure there either.
What you dream ain't real, no chance
In your short attention span theater.
Donkeys tilt at windmills bro
They are change on the wind
Go west far enough and you'll be east
You can't withdraw from yourself.
*snap*
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Quote:Actually, the next Monday August 3rd is in 2015.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
We might need Ouroboros to make that date.
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Quote:You're ignoring the fact that any other service provider would behave in exactly the same fashion in the same situation (i.e. closing a subsidiary studio.)Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
No. I'm saying that their relationship to their workforce has exactly zero to do with their relationship to customers and if they had any respect for their customers that would be the bottom line. But it isn't. I get that some people feel it's their need to defend the rights of corporations to act like sociopaths, but then that's why this industry is in the state it's in. Sales of electronic goods are based on goodwill and trust, and as a player they are not a company I can trust.
Honestly, I don't get why people feel like corporations are the only ones allowed to look out for their own interests. Avoiding this company's business in the future is a perfectly rational decision, just like I would any other service provider that behaved in such an unethical manner.
And calling it sociopathic behavior misses the mark as well. If they had no respect for their customers, they could have just pulled the plug on the servers today.
I know a lot of people are very upset. I'm one of them. But imagining that NCSoft has some higher responsibility to keep the game running is just self-delusion. -
Quote:Guild Wars 2 still jamming.Originally Posted by Lonelyshade
With coming of GW2 it makes all the postive hype surrounding GW2 worthless.
Nobody is going to invest into a product where the publisher cut and run whenever they feel like it , and make jumpy decisions without looking at the problems .
Servers keep on slamming.
No digital sales gotta throttle down.
Keep them boxes movin.
Metacritic exploding.
Hardcore CoH boi can't take it.
No doubt.
The Street hits back.
Reality can harsh your vibe.
Illusions hold you tight.
Keep your digital lies until the end of night.
*snap*
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Quote:I really with you would stop calling the story BS when what that very employee actually said was "I don't know."Originally Posted by Haetron
I -really- wish people would stop reposting that BS story about the Engine and Cryptic when a freaking Cryptic Employee (and ex PS employee) has said ON THESE FORUMS that it's most likely not an issue at all. It's just a last tempt ditch effort to badmouth another company that is one of 2 competitors CoH had.
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Quote:That's not how layoffs work though. You never give people advance notice that they're going to be laid off. That's not NCSoft's policy, it's the policy of every company I've worked for or heard about.Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
With no malice intended toward you: that is truly beside the point. It doesn't matter who in the chain was publishing the messages. If NCSoft intended to pull the plug, that is when they need to tell the developers that they should be dialing back services. The fact that NCSoft was also planning to screw Paragon Studios at the time they were screwing City of Heroes customers doesn't make their case any better. They were apparantly so worried about doing a clean pull out from under the developers that they decided to let customers take the fall. That's simply inexcusable.
Personally, I think it's letting this company off the hook much too easily to simply say "business is business."
I'm also wondering what will happen with unspent Paragon Points. They are naturally going to claim that they are forfeit, and there is a no-returns policy. I hope for their sake every country in which they do business agrees. Even though nothing would likely ever come of it, if the idea was that they could take cash from customers and then walk away clean in a few months time, the fact that they've been dealing in virtual currency could come back to bite them hard--if not in this particular timeframe, over this game, then eventually. I'm constantly amazed at how efficient this industry is at screwing itself over.
Adding a thought - this problem would be impossible by your standards. No matter when they pulled the plug, there would have been something that went on sale prior to it, which would be inaccessible after fixed time X. -
Quote:That's well done (the art, not NCSoft's move).Originally Posted by hazard
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Quote:A third possibility: those blurbs are published by Paragon Studios and Paragon had no idea what was coming down.Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
I think the photographic evidence is pretty damning, personally:
There are only two possibilities from this photo:
1) NCSoft made the decision to cut City of Heroes in 10 or fewer days. In which case, they are crazy.
2) They deliberatley misled us into buying a powerset they had no intention of supporting on even a semi-long term basis.
I have\ never before accused a game company of straight up lying, but that's exactly what happened here. They lied, and took my money. I have no legal recourse, and am not really seeking it. But this company doesn't have a shred of respect for its own customers and I would urge anyone considering making micropurchases from them to reconsider. -
Quote:Did you try the 304.79 drivers? I've had pretty good success with those. (This is another problem with TSW. It should not be this hard to get working.)Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
I've not tried TOR, but these are long. Very long. And not really much is said, and as Brillig points out, you remain silent the whole time... so it's not really a conversation, but just being talked at.
Also, I upgraded my graphics drivers since TSW was complaining... aaaaannnndddd now I'm getting irregular blue screens.
Tried with two different 30x drivers, so probably gonna have to roll back and hope they go away. -
Quote:They are, to a degree. Pretty much every mainline quest is voiced with cutscene.Originally Posted by Evanescah
If it's anything like SW:TOR's cut scenes, I didn't mind those so much.
Unlike SW:TOR, though, there are no choices to make. And your character is not voiced at all. This was a choice Funcom made that freaks some people out a bit. -
Quote:Just need to get it next to War Witch's thread...Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
Would it make you feel better if I told you I only noticed that after you pointed it out?
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TSW is a decent game, although as CB pointed out, it has some bugs. And because of its design, you might never encounter a bug, or you might be completely blocked in progress because of one.
It's also very alt-unfriendly and has limited customization.
I find it an interesting change of pace, but I think it's very very different from CoH. -
The whole thing is probably an elaborate hair-plot.
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Quote:Redundant?Originally Posted by Tunnel Rat
Also, I've banned crying in this thread. And Black Pebble.
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Remember - you're not building these characters in a game, you're building them in your head. And no one can take those away from you.
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Cheers to ya, Ms. Rat.
Thanks for all the hard work, and good luck finding a new hole.
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Quote:Tabula Rasa was developed by Destination Games. Destination Games became NC Austin. NC Austin still exists.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Tabula Rassa, ExSteel (Exteel?), Dungeon Runners, that car game they were working on, that's the ones off the top of my head, a few more besides them.
When the books are looking bad, doesn't have to be a loss, just not as good as they want it, they'll drop a game and the studio behind it.
Exteel was developed by NC Soft E&G - that one they killed. So that's 1.
Dungeon Runners, as far as I can tell, was developed by NC Austin. NC Austin is still there.
Auto Assault was developed by NetDevil. NetDevil is dead, but it died in 2011, 4 years after Auto Assault was cancelled.
You still owe me six more small studios they killed.
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It's raging angst beat poetry night. I'm digging it.
I especially like "recitify the mandeed." -
I dunno, I boycotted SOE after they launched Station Exchange, because I don't believe games should be jobs.
It saved me from having to try DCUO...