BrandX

I don't know if I agree with that. Just because one uses pistols, doesn't mean one couldn't have other powers as well.

With DP, I don't think Traps would automatically fit the theme, unless one is going for a tech hero.

This.

That is your right to do. I personally, haven't done it, but that's more of my own rule...I do ALOT of TFs, I know some will be the best ride ever, some will be fun but middle of the road, and some will be toturous experiences in pain.

I take me saying, yes I will join a TF, as willing to accept that i may just not have fun this run.

Mostly, they go well, some take longer than expected, which can sour some people (lots of "Are we there yet?" "I said we'll get there when we get there!").

Others get sour if it doesn't go off just right. "Okay I've died twice on this AV. I'm out of here!" or "This spawn killed us 4 times! We can't win! I'm gone." then usually still manage to knock it out.

But if you want to leave a TF, it is of course your right. I just think many will find it poor form.

I've also been in the situation you were speaking of. I was brought along to tank the AV. That was it. The team really didn't need me on anything else. What made it even worse was that 1) I was WP/EM so I wasn't even putting out damage, as the team was made of 7 trollers/doms who were STEAMROLLING the TF, so I'd hit my long animating attacks on alot of dead enemies. 2) THey didn't even need me to tank the AVs (so I was more of a "Just in case we need you to tank the AV).

Still, it was pretty fun to watch those 7 just obliterate everything.

Though still havent heard from you, if the team was complaining about their deaths or not. And if so, if you had offered advice on how to not go about dieing. Sometimes, you get the team makeup that doesn't mind the debt (it is a joke after all), don't mind the dieing, and still just have lots of fun (<.< I call them scrappers...whether by AT or just Scrappers at heart).

hahaha...me not flexible on teams. Pffft.

I'm so flexible, I upset a SG member on how flexible I can be.

Getting what others consider a terrible team makeup, and making them work.

An aggro holder isn't needed. It's not. Someone who can take the alpha is great. After that, a decent team should beable to handle the rest.

Have you even played a stalker? I don't know about you, but when I team with my stalker, the teams move fast. To fast, to use the let me rehide, assassin strike, placate then run away method.

No. On a fast moving team, the stalker needs to beable to stand in melee and duke it out. Or else they're not contributing all that much.

In fact, with my main stalker, every team I've been on since lvl 20 (at least) hasn't even given me time to rehide to use Assassin Strike every spawn. That's how fast the teams were moving.

Spawn...dead...Spawn...dead...if I didn't stay in melee and just fight it out, I wouldn't have contributed nearly the same amount to the team as I was doing.

Do you really think a team like that, wants to wait for the stalker to Assassin Strike every boss in the spawn?

When I look for a tank, I'm just looking for someone to run into the mob first, when I'm on my squishy. If they hold aggro, that's just gravy. But then, I don't worry about it if things fall apart. Cause 99% of the time, when things fall apart, they can be worked out with the team at hand, with a bit of team work (this is of course assuming, people know how to slot their powers decently, and know how to use their powers/powersets).

As to my last message. I was merely replying to the OP. I'm pretty sure I was bit tired, so it might of come off a bit wrong, but I was not trying to be offensive at all to the OP. I was asking questions.

What type of tank is he? Then I asked if he was a certain type.

I asked it the way I did. Because the tanker specifically said he didn't like being a piddly damage dealer for teams (he may of phrased it differently, but that's what it came down to...as I read it anyways).

That to me sounds like "I picked Taunt, the AOE Power for more taunt, and that power I HAD to grab anyways."

I added the Defender analog because quite frankly, I have a tendency to side track, and that type of tank reminds me of that type of defender. Seeing as how I've seen alot of those two types around lately (more with the defenders, but enough with the tanks to make me cry)...I happened to mention it.

As for his team...sounded like the Fire/Kin had the star, the tanker didn't, the team was following the star holder, instead of the tanker. The Fire/Kin was holding their own, the rest of the team however couldn't handle the lose aggro that the tank could of covered for.

SB is nice, but when I have my end recovery handled, I personally, don't go pesting the /Kin for it. It's nice to have. REALLY NICE! No denying. It gets those AOEs up more often. Get's those big hitters up more often.

The difference here. I assume the /Kin could be SBing the team and still moving fast, while the you assume the /Kin wasn't SBing and just moving fast.

Increased Density I forget about, just because I don't see many /Kins take it. And lately in fact, alot of the trollers I've teamed with, werent even taking the team buffs. Was ona team the other day with a /Cold Troller, /Force Field Troller, /Sonic Troller, and /Thermal Troller...4 trollers on one ITF team...my frist thought...okay, this team will be flying...

To my dismay, not a single one of those trollers had the team shield buffs. My jaw dropped.

I don't tell people how to play on my team, so I didn't send them messages going "OMGWTF" I went with it.

Okay, I mentioned on my SG OOC channel, how was it I could be teamed with these 4 types of trollers, and not one of them had gotten the team buffs.

One left before the ITF started...and replaced by one of my favorites...Dark/ Defender. But alaas...it's late...and I'm doing it again...and sidetracking.

*shakes head*

My point is...what makes you think the Fire/Kin even had SB, and the even less likely ID to put on the team in the first place? :P Or that he wasn't spamming it on his team before charging ahead?

He also asked for suggestions. I thought I made it pretty clear in my post (maybe I didn't?)...my first thought, go the damage dealing route. If the team kept dying, but he and the Fire/Kin werent, and everyone seemed fine with it. SMASH SOME BADDIES! Or run ahead of the Fire/Kin and absorb that alpha, when he gets there and locks them down, head to the next group and get them riled up.

All this said, mind you I run ALOT of TFs. So seeing someone quit, when usually it isnt as bad as they think...

"We died twice! We won't make it! I quit!"

"We lost so and so member, we won't make it! I quit!"

...is what I find kills more TFs, than a few team wipes along the way. *note: when I say a few...I mean ALOT. Been on ITFs, where the team was dieing left and right, then the team got to the AV and knocked it out fast and quick.

***QUICK EDIT*** Actually...I DO understand the concept of CoH teaming. CoH teaming doesnt require the use of a specific AT. CoH teaming doesnt require a dedicated healer, buffer, damage dealer, aggro holder, or control AT, at all!

I think your first problem is thinking that people have roles on teams. :P

This is CoH, not WoW.

Yes, you as the tanker will hold aggro better...seems like the Fire/Kin was doing just fine...the problem it would seem was the other teammates dying.

They should of stayed with you.

Bad form to quit a TF mid TF. But as you said, you weren't having fun.

Now personally, I've beaten the ITF many times without a tank, I don't see why your team couldn't...

That said, nothing wrong with being a damage dealer for awhile, even if you're not the highest damage dealers on the team.

Or are you one of those tanks that grabs the first attack, the AOE, and Taunt, and consider yourself done with your secondary?

If your that...not saying you are...they were better off without you...that's as bad as the Defenders who don't grab any attacks (in fact, just the other day I ran with a level 50 Empathy/Archery Defender...had Snap Shot. Didn't even have Rain of Arrows! The nuke that wouldn't hurt them at all!).

Now see, I remembered he said that's how his name came around. I just never saw how he spelled it. But I guess that makes since, since Hawkeye was bugging him the whole time to find out what it stood for (but I also assumed he just knew him as BJ, and not his actual records Silly me)

I don't know game ratings all that well...but what she said doesn't push it past PG for movies...though you'd most likely see that in PG-13+...but PG-13 is still teen.

Also it's sucha small part of the game, that it doesn't make that big of a deal in the whole scheme of things.

Look at some PG movies that have said the F word (Spaceballs comes to mind), though if they said it every other word, it would be PG-13 or the more likely R rating (though when they say it every other word, they're generally shooting for the R rating).

Again, this is movie wise. Maybe Teen rating for games mean 16+?

Wasn't that the episode Beejay arrived in on?

I was actually okay with the immob hole. >.>

No...let's not see a motorcycle power. If they put that in, everyone would all of a sudden become Superspeedsters overnight.

You lost me at "still hate the animation".

I just don't understand.

Heh...I love the animation so much.

Some questions however...

Why the Build Up Proc in Focus?

Why not the PvP IO Proc for Toxic Damage? Or the Heal Self PRoc?

If you're really willing to go all out and use the PvP IO sets, you might consider replacing three of the LotG set, with the same three IOs of the PvP IO Defense Set. More +HP that way.

Or maybe just on one of them, as that will stop you from repeating the +9% ACC.

Physical Perfect, maybe change the Performance Shifter: END MOD to the Heal PvP IO Proc for a chance at a +HEAL and +END.

Just some thoughts. Expensive ones at that, but your build seems to be going the way of expensive, but that just might be to expensive.

No. What the OP wants is the ability to have different attacks int he Primary.

Instead of the Dark Blast Powers, you could have an Assault Rifle or Dual Pistols or a Bow.

I'd actually love this, as I would love a Dual Pistol using Necromancer, in fact just last night I was wishing I could replace the Dark Blasts in Necromancy with Dual Pistols for the concept I had in mind.

They reload by doing the following in game...

"/em reloads"

Don't put in the quotes.

Really now, every other fantasy game avoid the reload animation. Do you really think CoH is any different?

To the OP, you never know...they could have dual animations for the pistol set.

Wait a second. You mean I'm suppossed to turn off Sprint? But I keep it on almost 99% of the time when playing.

Only when I need to save END for sure, do I ever possibly think about turning it off.

Though, lowering it to the cost of an armor toggle wouldn't be bad imo.

I know. Sadly, when others say they want a Natural Origin character, they never think of the aliens. They think purely humans. Then wonder why they can't use some of the other sets.

Well, Mutant and Science Origin's would imply (though not 100%) that they give you the same thing the Magic Origin would. No reliance on a suit or weapon or whatever. Just themself.

And exactly. Seeing as how my MA/Shield was Alien, it allowed me to take Flight/Laser Beam Eyes/say she had super strength (sadly this was before the new MA animations) and still keep the natural origin.

But to make it different than Dual Pistols. Laser Pistol users can just stand there in one spot, and not make any flashy moves.

Just stand there and pew pew pew!