Bill Z Bubba

I was one of the first non-powerleveled peacebringers on Pinnacle. It was the least fun character I took to 50.

I deleted Celmor at 50 because I knew waiting for the devs to fix PBs was a waste of time.

Every time a change occurred that affected PBs I've recreated Celmor. Every time I get so far before I stop and ask myself, "Why am I bothering?"

I know why. Flight at level 1 is cool. Self heals with ranged blasts and rocking melee attacks and groovy dam-res shields are all cool. Wicked glowing eyes are cool.

The peacebringer is an extremely visually appealing archetype. Mechanically it is now and always will be something of a dud.

EDIT: Yes, Celmor exists right now on Pinnacle. I think she's (yup, he even changed sexes) 15 or so.

Yes. It didn't once upon a time because the redraw time was baked into all the attacks. BAB and Castle worked together on fixing this. It sped up weapon users and increased our overall DPS but it also made redraw into a real penalty. It also led to claws getting its own damage tweak cuz it was just too damn good without it.


This is what happens when you let facts override beliefs. It's a good thing!

But I'll call it a done deal once I get all the corrected info in there.

The math I did showed damage over time but even I am beginning to see the irrelevance of the argument due to the way people farm these missions.

Most folks aren't even dealing with real time. If the test is only the 2 minutes it takes to hit 750 tickets, hit the glowy and exit the mission, then SS with double stacked rage probably does win. With single stacked rage, the player is clicking the glowy during the crash. With double stacked, he's either only double stacked for the second half of the two minutes or he's it rage outside the mission, doublestacked in the mission and has to deal with a crash at the 1 minute mark.

Does that sound correct? Let's go with 300% total recharge. Really cranked to the walls IO/Purple builds.

SS uses footstomp, electric fences and ball lightning.
Claws will use followup, spin, electric fences, ball lightning.

First, we'll ignore insp usage. Then we'll do damage cap of +750%.
All aoes will hit 9 enemies to take into account 5% miss rate.
Attacks will assume 95% damage enhancement and 150% from fury.

The following isn't perfect. If you see a glaring error, tell me and I'll fix it.


Base DPS of SS chain: 18.655 (*9 = 167.895)
Base DPS of Claws chain: 22.199 (*9 = 199.791)

SS enhanced with single rage = 167.895 * (1+.8+.95+1.5) = 713.554
Claws double stacked FU = 199.895 * (1+.6+.95+1.5) = 809.575
SS double rage = 167.895 * (1+1.6+.95+1.5) = 847.87

Total for two minutes: Total*120 seconds
SS single rage, no crash = 85626.48 total damage output
Claws = 97149 total damage output
SS single rage minute 1, double rage minute 2, no crash = 42813.24+50872.2 = 93685.44
SS double rage, single crash = 847.87 * 110 = 93265.7

Claws should win.

EDIT: Oh *I* see a glaring error! Forgot burn and blazing aura.... doh. I'll come back to this tonight.

EDIT2: No, really... how the hell did I leave off burn? It changes everything, gets rid of pauses.... geeez.

Didn't Magneto just pull out all the adamantium coating ON his skeleton?

And the desire to easily bypass pre-SO levels.

Like I stated, I did it in 16 and I made mistakes. I have absolutely zero doubt that I could hit 10 hours should I decide to do it again.

Run what you can handle because that's the best speed for you. Were you eating lucks and combining inspirations to make more lucks and chewing up up other inspirations as needed? Using vet powers? Had blazing aura and spin by level 6?

<--- Blueside. How else am I supposed to fill Hell's ranks? I make sure that there isn't enough left to for the hospitals to put back together when the bodies port out.

The problem with getting it updated, as far as I can tell, is that the original data came from spreadsheets that weren't supposed to be for public consumption in the first place.

I rather doubt that the current devs would be up to releasing the information needed to properly update CoD.

If I could bribe the devs into giving my main an AT respec allowing me to keep all my badges, accolades, etc... he'd be a brute.

Better damage, higher HP and a taunt aura? Yes please.

True and I've seen that brought up before but if there isn't some consensus on what the goal is how do I know what to build for?

It seems that some folks are stating that burst farming is all that matters but we all know that no one can sustain the levels that they're stating they hit if they're spending more time outside of the mission restocking large reds, waiting for powers to recharge, etc.
Same goes for load times. It's a a real world value that will affect someone's actual farming speed over time.
Saw one guy mention that he keeps a teammate around all the time for venge-bait. What about the time to load in the teammate, get him killed and cast vengeance? Was that being included in run times or should it be ignored completely anyway?

Don't get me wrong: If the general opinion is that all we care about is max burst performance for a two minute period, I'll build for max recharge and recovery and completely ignore followup and mitigation since I'll be soft-capped and damage capped while diving in. Edit: Actually, if that's all we care about, the answer can be given with math because on these maps, aoe radius means nothing.

If the metric to be used is "time to get a lowbie to 50" shouldn't the total time, including load times, be relevant?

Or is the whole topic completely irrelevant due to the complete lack of consensus on what constitutes a "proper" farm run?

In the other thread you also brought up map inefficiencies. If we're going to take that into account, what else should be considered? Point on that: I ran three different maps last night and they all seemed to be in the same ballpark on inf/min so as per my PM to you, if you have a map in mind it would be helpful.


For the most part, yea... burn is 3rec-red/3dam; think spin is 1acc/3rec-red/1end-red/1dam; eviscerate is the same as spin. But again, unless I know what I'm supposed to be testing, I won't know how to properly build this chick.

I am wondering if Mu PPP with the two aoes from it is the better choice than pyre for fireball especially if backed by the reactive incarnate with its fire DoT stacking on them.