BenRGamer
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It's pretty much the stated goal that the crusaders can and will kill everyone that's not apart of the Resistance, therefore, if you don't join, they'll kill you.
How is that not tyrannical?
Sure, they're fighting the government, against tyranny and all that, but that doesn't make what they're doing--trying to force the common man to join with them, regardless of their personal choice--not tyrannical.
Heck, I even looked up the meaning of the word Tyrannical. From Dictionary.com, unjustly cruel, harsh, or severe; arbitrary or oppressive. How does that not describe the Crusaders? -
Any other tips?
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EXPLAIN, Golden Cole, ex-frickin-spain how 'rebel or die' is any less tyrannical at all than 'serve or die.'
Loyalists should be wearing swastikas?
Then the Resistance should be wearing the Hammer and Sickle. -
I'll go to bed right after I make the 500th reply to the first post... whoop, there it is.
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It's 3 am. Corollaries and word twisting stop at about 2 am for me.
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Quote:It makes no difference what the motivation behind it is, if someone points a gun to your head and tells you 'Serve Cole or die,' that's tyrannical.Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Because if you're rebelling you're rebelling against a Tyrant.
If that same person had said, instead, 'Rebel against Cole or die,' it's just as tyrannical, and that's almost the entire Crusader recruitment plan. If you don't join them they will kill you.
And that's why I don't get the complete and utter blindness of some people--I never said Cole was good, only that he was keeping the people alive, for the most part.
And I said that he should be taken out, when the situation is more stable.
Personally I think the best way to take him out is lure him and his invasion force away from Praetoria and any Primal Cities and take him out there--no massive collateral damage.
Besides, since they've already got the stuff modeled and have done similar things before, I see a new 'Praetorian Invasion' zone event on the horizon, so, yeah, no one's gonna stop it until after it happens. -
GG still hasn't explained how 'Rebel or Die' is any less tyrannical than 'Serve or Die'
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Quote:For some reason I have the odd urge to start yelling out 'Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!'Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
No wonder he dumped you.
Ah, white trash daytime TV... -
Quote:Makes sense. I can see why Cole left, though, she's too crazy even for a maniac.Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Considering GG's apparent love for the same moral certainty as Cole, her teasing and not-really-serious take on espousing him as wrong, and her love of clinging to the retconned Tyrant/Dominatrix relationship, I think I've gotten her figured out.
Poor girl is Cole's ex. -
What if you oppress people's freedom to force them to rebel against their government?
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Notice how none of those mention mass murder.
Doesn't that kinda make you pointing out all the badges that don't mention mass murder kinda... stupid? -
Well, GG is staunch believer in Fallout America.
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Oh--Someone else here made me think of something. A while ago, someone mentioned the Fallout universe, and to be honest, the 'Praetorian America' sounds pretty much like the Fallout one--a super-isolationist country that ultimately destroyed the world with nuclear weapons, sans the Hamidon.
Yep. That's the America the Resistance are trying to bring back. One willing to destroy the world--including itself--with nuclear weapons. I suppose that explains the Crusaders, neh? -
Ah, the resistance are perverts...
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Quiet, Golden Cole, and go subjugate some other parts of the world forcibly under what you 'KNOW' is right.
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Golden Cole, huh?
Also, Venture, I'm not saying throw away your freedoms for a twinkee. I've said before and I'll say it again, Cole is evil, he should not lead, but, the status quo is such that right now, if Cole's empire became destabilized (Like, say, by bringing Cole down) then Humanity could very well face near total extinction at the hands of Hamidon.
It's nowhere near ideal, but it's preferrable to extinction, is what I'm saying. -
It's like arguing with a five year old.
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Like I said, world conquest. It's not 'freeing' people if they don't want it.
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Not to go into too much detail... you do know that America has supported alot of dictatorships, right?
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Quote:All of GG's posts fix'd.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
...In AMERICA!
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Then you may as well make it your sig.
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Quote:The moments the Wardens leave they'd be Hamidon-Snacks.Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
So... anyway though, who thinks the idea of the Wardens breaking off to form Paragon making things come full circle would be kickass?
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Oh my... while I was writing this I heard a quote that sums this up perfectly.
From the Spoony One,
Quote:I can't even call it circular logic. The logic comes from nowhere, goes nowhere, and the reasoning is completely wrong. It's like an insane man saying, like, 'Well the sky is blue because ducks are white.' The facts that they are throwing into this thing, they're saying them like they're conclusive proof, and they don't even relate to the thing. -
Stop ignoring successful arguments against you and explain! E-X-P-L-A-I-N! That spells ex-plain! Where you actually... EXPLAIN your counter-arguments and not just shout 'AMERICA' over and over again!
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America fell, collapsed under the Hamidon attack. Praetoria rose from the ashes, it's not America anymore, it's not a Republic. It's a new country.
There's nothing stopping the Resistance from leaving... except the Devouring Earth Horde that's trying to kill everybody.
Oh, and, PS.
EXPLAAAAIN!