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A while ago, peoople have requested something be done. Well, we've done a bunch of work and done this. Defense powers will now work equally well against critters, regardless of their rank or level. For instance, your defense powers will work equally well against a Boss or any critter up to 5 levels higher than you, as it does for an equal level minion. This change has no effect on a player who does not have any Defense.

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The devs get 20 points for listening to the playerbase, 10 points for giving a boost to SR Scrappers, and 10 points for the same to Ice Tanks.

...however, they get -50 points for making yet *another* fundamental alternation to their game engine without warning.

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Without warning? What is this thread, swiss cheese?

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I look forward to a detailed explanation of how this will work.
Glad you asked. Basically, Level advantage in PvE, Lts, Bosses, AV's, and Monsters had To Hit bonuses. This made Defense not scale properly. We changed them so that instead of To Hit bonuses, they have Accuracy bonuses. What that means is, Defense is applied before their bonus, rather than after. Since Accuracy is a multiplier, it is multiplying a small base value than before.

For instance, an AV had a base To Hit of 75%. If a player had 25% Defense, the AV would have had a 50% chance to hit. Under the new system, the AV's has a base 50% chance to hit. The Defense is applied, reducing his To Hit to 25%. The Accuracy is then applied, giving a final To Hit of 37.5% -- a 12.5% improvement over the old system.

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Thank you. It certainly does look good on paper. It means the higher ranked and higher level enemies will still have an advantage, just not so thoroughly decisive.

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We're tweaking with toggle dropping...mostly decreasing its overall effect.

We just received tech that will allow players to pass buffs onto certain powers (such as Blizzard).

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By 'tweaking with toggle-dropping' you really mean 'We took this ridiculous ability away from Assassin Strike but have left everything else alone, right? Right?' *grovels*

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That would barely be worth mentioning.

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NM: It was Revolution_Pr0/Backagain/Diva_Dauntless

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He was one of my faves. Miss him. He could be a clever monkey at times.

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ZOMG! He put me in his ignore list. OH NOES.

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Do you get a message or something when you get ignored? If thats the case, no one has ever ignored me. Which I find somewhat suprising.

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No, he just claimed to put me on his ignore list, and when I try to send him PMs it says:[ QUOTE ]
This user is ignoring you. You cannot send them a message.

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Not that I'm seriously trying to send him PMs, I just found that it's the best way to determine if one is really being ignored.

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I don't think I carry the gravitas to be threatening enough to people to get /ignored. He was probably daunted by your ability to unleash a barrage of pertinent posts in quick succession.

He and I would spar for days in a row and now I can't even recall why. About whether CoH was the worst grind ever probably.

/mock tear

/insincere regret

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Heh. Of all the things that have ever bothered me in CoH, "endless grind" never came into consideration.

I simply do not understand the complaint.

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NM: It was Revolution_Pr0/Backagain/Diva_Dauntless

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He was one of my faves. Miss him. He could be a clever monkey at times.

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ZOMG! He put me in his ignore list. OH NOES.

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Toggle-dropping is a terrible kludge. I'm sorry if you like it.

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Well, they're working on that too.

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Kali was the first person to respond to that Statesman post yesterday, for goodness sake.

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Well, then it appears I must have missed that little detail whilst copying and pasting the link. It is 3 in the morning and I'm only reading the forums because I woke up and can't get back to sleep. Pardon me if I'm a little scatterbrained and should most likely be sleeping and not posting responses in game forums. It also appears that I have an entire string of nothing but my posts for a while because everyone else is in bed sleeping.

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It's no big deal.

I was very happy, though, to be the first to respond to that tidbit.

Because, you know, I hate toggle-dropping that much.

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Well, in CoH, a blaster can punch the tanker's toggles off. In WoW, a mage cannot punch a warrior's armor off.

Advantage = WoW.

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Funny I read that exact same sentence and concluded the opposite.

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Toggle-dropping is a terrible kludge. I'm sorry if you like it.

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Well, they're working on that too.

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Yep.

I expect it'll require some adjustments to PVP overall to keep things balanced, but that's fine as long as I'm not arbitrarily losing toggles I have to do interpretive dance to flip on.

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"whats ur power that brings death and pain?"

If you set that conversation to music, ironically enough, the myspace.com emo kids would eat it up.

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Isn't that why "You're the Man Now, Dog" exists?

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See my previous post for a potentially simpler way to get much more exact defense stability with level and rank.

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How can 5 paragraphs be simpler than a simple formula with 4 variables?

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Math intimidates people in a way that grammar never will.

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I've finally been accused of not using enough formulas! This one goes up on the refrigerator!

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Heh.

Mark it on the calendar, too.

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See my previous post for a potentially simpler way to get much more exact defense stability with level and rank.

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How can 5 paragraphs be simpler than a simple formula with 4 variables?

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Math intimidates people in a way that grammar never will.

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We just received tech that will allow players to pass buffs onto certain powers (such as Blizzard).

[/ QUOTE ] Um...what does this mean exactly?

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Attacks that are actually pets will now be affected by buildup type powers? HOLY COW!

Can that pretty-please be added to Dark Servant?

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I dont think this will affect pets. Dropping inspirations on Henchman seems like an MM only thing. However, I think DS should be slottable for damage with the beating he got in I5 and ED.

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I believe he meant attacks that are really summoned, like rains and burn patches. They're technically pet-like.

I don't think he meant actual pets.

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I miss Puffy. He made me laugh uproariously!

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Is Puffy the one who came back under a different name and started a thread so stupid I had to post a link to it in another thread about "dumbest trolls ever?" and comparing it to his original trolls without realizing it was the same guy?

And then he spent a week flaming me?

Gosh, those were the days.

NM: It was Revolution_Pr0/Backagain/Diva_Dauntless

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As far as I'm concerned, I'm very hesitant to label this as overpowered, just right, or not enough until we have a chance to test it. I suspect the devs have QA testing it now, or had them test it in the recent past, to see if it was fun/workable, but actual time on the test server may illustrate actual problems.

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Concurred.

Beleeted, LOL

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I am a fan of Homestar Runner and his copious works.

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We just received tech that will allow players to pass buffs onto certain powers (such as Blizzard).

[/ QUOTE ] Um...what does this mean exactly?

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Blizzard apparently doesn't benefit from +dmg buffs applied to the user - so, Build Up, Aim, Fortitude, Fulcrum Shift, etc, don't do anything for it.

I could be mistaken, though.

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Thats exactly what it means. All "Summon" type skills that require a reticle can not be buffed from Self Buffs. Blizzard, Ice Storm, Trip Mine (I believe), Burn, etc. If it shows up in your Status Bar, then it wouldn't be affected by Build Up, I believe.

Fiery Embrace buffing Burn? Now you're talking.

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This is what I thought, but it's been many moons since I read about such things.

My Fire/Dark Corruptors will exclaim happily and set things on fire.

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No worries, you and Mieux are entirely correct that Tanks = DEF is an old mentality, and not the subject of this thread.

Now I'm just afraid that I might have put people OT

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I baleeted my post.

And topicality seems to be maintained, so all is good.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm very hesitant to label this as overpowered, just right, or not enough until we have a chance to test it. I suspect the devs have QA testing it now, or had them test it in the recent past, to see if it was fun/workable, but actual time on the test server may illustrate actual problems.

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Its a bad change that can't do anything but cheapen the value and the sense of accomplishment that is normally associated with those badges, and its all to shut up soloers whining because of nerfs that they can't solo AVs anymore and they just refuse to bite the bullet and team.

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All this really does is illustrate that you really don't understand the complaints.

I would say it's more due to people who play blasters getting frustrated with having their mission slots clogged up with AVs they can't get past, and the like. That is, this change is more for people who never could or would solo AVs than for people who did, and are annoyed that they can't anymore.

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We just received tech that will allow players to pass buffs onto certain powers (such as Blizzard).

[/ QUOTE ] Um...what does this mean exactly?

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Blizzard apparently doesn't benefit from +dmg buffs applied to the user - so, Build Up, Aim, Fortitude, Fulcrum Shift, etc, don't do anything for it.

I could be mistaken, though.

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It shouldn't be "equal".

Set a "rate" to reduce foes lv acc buff will be much better.


"equal" is too powreful.


But I still have to say, "this is a good idea".

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I think that we should wait for actual testing to decide whether it's too powerful or not powerful enough.

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I'm going to remove that unintentionally inflamatory part of my previous post. The vernacular was all wrong, and I apologize.

On another note, I'm waiting to see how this works before I start getting too excited about this. Hopefully, it will be what most of the Tank community has been looking for.

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Thank you.

I'll edit my response, because I was overly reactionary.

Toning down toggle-drops?

Awesome.

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That puts it in a better context. Thanks for the clarification. In that light, it must be that the role of DEF in general will be changing.

But to quote KaliMagdalene, I can't wait to see HOW it's done...

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I hesitate to speculate much at all without elaboration.

I think Arcanaville is on the right track, though.

I look forward to a detailed explanation of how this will work.

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SuperMartin put in some code, ages past, to allow the whole "hitting fleeing targets" thing to take place. That works great, but unfortunately somewhere around the implementation of bases (where I had to make a bunch of changes to targeting), the code to set up that process broke specifically for the primary target of AE attacks. Long story short, it thought the primary target had managed to get out of the effect area. We fixed it, but that fix broke some time later. It should be fixed for good, assuming we stop adding code...

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Legacy bugs are teh debbil.

Was this exactly the same problem that surfaced in issue 3, when tanker attacks were not hitting moving targets? Since all tanker attacks became very narrow cones/AoE attacks?

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Classically it's the D&D axiom of Armor Class and Hit Points. Your larger number of hit points as you go up in level does not reflect anctual increased health, but rather a numerical way to represent the fact that a cut by a sword at level 1 is deep (1-8 out of 10 HP for example) while that same 1-8 on someone level 10 (say 100 hp for arguement sake) is a nick. It simulated the fact that their skill has alowed them to avoid a mortal blow . . . you know the skilled swordsman fighting the other skilled swordsman slowly wearing thir foe down. It's not that the Bosses pistol does more actual damage (i.e. the bullet explodes vice simply penetrates skin) it's just that he is skilled enough with it to hit you center mass vice the bullet grazing you. Its the only way to keep level 1 minions from one shotting a level 50 on a pure luck shot because a bullet in the forehead will kill you no matter how strong you are.

I know, too many years playing pen and paper RPG's

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Again, that's a dramatic contrivance so that people of heroic stature don't get wiped out by peons. It's not a realistic presentation of combat.

I mean, I really don't care how skilled you are, your .44 bullets are not going to hit 10x harder than someone else's .44 bullets.