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  1. Sci-fi Wire must have read our thread: they talk about projects lined up for most of the cast

    I like somone's idea in the comments section: Henry Ian Cusick as James Bond!

    "See you in another Martini, brutha"
  2. ABC execs admit that they put the images of the wreckage over the end credits, not anyone directly associated with Lost, as a way to ease the transition to the local news.

    So that wreckage has no baring on the story, and is, as some of us said, just a nostalgia thing.
  3. The debate is really over whether the purgatory construct was purgatory for everyone in that world or just the Island folk (can't even say Oceanic folk, as Ben, Juliet, and Faraday and his mom are apparently awakened) EDIT: Island folk who had a life-changing experience on the Island, hence no Walt or "real" Aaron.

    I think clearly David and Helen are constructs. They represent something Jack and Locke both wanted. Doc Jensen points out that David was the son that Jack wishes he could have been to his father. Sideways Jack and David had a messed up relationship until the end of "The Lighthouse," when Jack apologized and promised to do better. David accepted. Meanwhile, in the real world, when Christian finally admitted he had a drinking problem and went to AA and asked forgiveness from Jack, Jack rejected it, which led Christian to Australia and his death.

    Also, I can't believe I didn't catch this, but Doc Jensen points out that the friendly relationship between Jack and Juliet in the sideways universe is not only an extension of their relationship on the Island, but also their desire/guilt over the bad relationships each had with their exes.
  4. So I walked to work today and I was pondering the Aaron question some more. Why did the psychic say something bad would happen if Claire did not raise Aaron? I think I can retroactively fit an answer (aka fanwank):

    The psychic saw "Purgatory." Remember, his own daughter was declared dead, but came back to life, so he has some personal experience dealing with the other side. He saw "Purgatory" and experienced it through Claire's eyes. He knew that if Claire did not raise Aaron herself, she would never have the connection she needed to her son to have her "awaken" when he was born. She (along with Kate) needed the motherly experience so that their souls can move on.

    Again, I think Baby Aaron was a "prop" along the lines of Ji Yeon, meant to push people towards enlightenment in the Sideways world.

    Of course, as I am typing this, "Life and Death" from the Season 1 Soundtrack came on my iPod.
  5. Quote:
    Originally Posted by MentalMaden View Post
    Food for thought:

    When Desmond first said, "see you in another life, bruthah." to Jack way back when.

    Coincidence, writers foreshadowing, or Des already seeing things others can't?
    More than likely coincidence mixed with thematic foreshadowing.

    On a tangential note, I have been asked by my father and a few of his friends to write an explanation for the show. Not that they are utterly confused, but I have been known to catch the littler things. I am trying to go season by season and touch upon major themes and mysteriesfor each season (and I already discussed the two major themes for all seasons: free will vs. fate and science vs. faith). So far, I can definitely tell how Doc Jensen was driven so crazy!
  6. For some fun uncredited Terry O'Quinn work, watch Old School.

    I watched it a few years ago and just started cracking up when T'OQ showed up, never noticing him in the movie before.
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dr_Darkspeed View Post
    Just rewatchied the scene, and he does say "I'll be seeing you" as he walks off!
    Is that Sawyerism? I was thinking he said it to Mr. Friendly when they met again in the jungle after he took Walt, but he really said "We ain't through, Zeke." I am trying to rack my brain, figuring out when he would have said it.
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dr_Darkspeed View Post
    Since, you just rewatched it, did Sawyer say "I'll be seeing you" at the well, or did I optimistically misremember that?
    I don't think so, though my memory is also shoddy. I think he just says they are no longer candidates, elbows Ben, and gets out of there.

    I do love it when he says "I heard Desmond is down a well. I'm here to save him. Looks like someone beat us to him. Oh, well."

    Maybe an unintentional pun, but I dig
  9. Second half of Doc Jensen's finale report is up. Surprisingly, it is only 9 pages, so it, in total, only 16 pages on the finale? I was thinking it would be double
  10. Second viewing of the finale as good as the first!

    I just love Matthew Fox/Jack in the finale: from his shrugging while saying "It's a surprise" as to how he will kill Flocke, to his Kung Fu showdown with him, to his realization at the end, fine acting and characterization all around.

    And, you know what? I know some people say Hurley may have constructed limbo to take care of them all, but if we have to choose a character, I would say it was Jack. From his nonanswer (though told through facial expression) to Kate about seeing her again to his statement to Des about seeing him in another life, even with him being the last one to be awakened, I would say it is Jack, the preacher of Live Together, Die Alone, who, if anyone, would bring forth the idea. Of course, Hurley would totally agree

    Though I like it more if it was just the groups subconscious who decided to build the place. If you realize that they built it and it isn't a catchall limbo, that can explain why only the people they encountered are there and can be awakened. A lot of people are getting hung up on why Baby Aaron is there. I don't think that is the "real" Aaron, but rather a prop of sorts constructed by the group as an awakening tool.
  11. And both DDK and Josh Holloway have appeared on CSI: Las Vegas. Holloway, hilariously, as a valet that used to be friends with Stokes.

    I read two interesting articles today, both by Kristin on E! Online. One of it outlines the fake ending Team Darlton constructed to prevent leaks and explain filming at the church: Alterna-Sun and Jin were going to get married there. I like that, just cause along with the "Purgatory" ending which is sorta like a "dream" ending, it is a well-worn troupe. I like to think it is a jokey commentary on the real ending.

    Also, AAA was offered the chance to appear in the finale as Mr. Eko, but turned it down due to money. That piece had me thinking about the last episode Eko appeared in. After he dies, we are taken to a "flashback" that has a young Eko and Yemi walking down the road. It is brief and serves almost as a coda. Could it have been that was Eko's limbo construct? That he waits to get to the next plane while reliving his youth. Makes sense that he wouldn't wait with the other Losties because he never really was too friendly with them (protective, yes, but remember, he rarely spoke while on the other side of the Island and then isolated himself in the Hatch after Locke gave it up).

    Just a few thoughts. I will probably rewatch the finale now
  12. Quote:
    Originally Posted by mousedroid View Post
    Speaking of things we missed - did I blink and miss it, or did they never show how Ben got free from under that tree that fell on him?
    Yeah that was the only part I didn't really like. They established they couldn't move the tree, and then, poof, suddenly he is free and on the cliff.
  13. Regarding future careers, here is my assessment:

    I expect O'Quinn and Emerson to try one more project together, possibly the show that O'Quinn was seemingly pitching during pilot season (suburban assassins). Interestingly, O'Quinn says he was about to retire before Abrams offered him Locke (O'Quinn was the only actor who didn't have to audition). I don't expect either one to become leading males in the movies, but oneof them might get some supporting roles.

    Matthew Fox will get the most movie roles, but probably as a supporting cast member, like in We Are Marshall and Vantage Point. He says he does not want to return to TV.

    Yunjin Kim will be an interesting case. She may get some small American roles, probably on TV, but maybe in some movies, but will probably go back to Korea, where she is a huge star akin to Angelina Jolie (as a kick-butt female)

    Daniel Dae Kim is the only cast member from the final season who already has anther job lined up: he is starring in the remake of Hawaii Five-O. He just doesn't want to leave the Island! Depending on how that show does, I can see DDK becoming a TV go-to guy for supporting roles.

    Josh Holloway has the biggest potential. Remember, he was being chased after to play Gambit in the X-Men roles but due to scheduling and his view that Gambit is essentially Sawyer with powers, he turned it down. Holloway was another guy who almost quit acting before landing Lost. I think he will be offered the lead in some smaller movies and depending on how successful those are, he can become a big movie star or return to TV.

    Jorge Garcia will land on his feet somewhere, probably in a sitcom. He already was on Curb Your Enthusiasm and Becker, so he has some experience doing a straight comedy. He would also probably be the one most up for a Lost-related project.

    Naveen Andrews is tough to call. I can see him joining the cast of Law & Order: SVU, since he did a guest role in Janaury that seemed to open the door for his return. I don't see him being the lead in a movie anytime soon, but he may get offered a supporting role, here and there. He is British, so I can see him in some more period pieces (he did Pride and Prejudice, I believe)

    Evageline Lilly has already been cast in a movie about robots fighting (no, not Transformers). I would say she is the most likely to fade away, just because she has repeatedly said she isn't particularly fond of acting. I think thought her publicist will try to give her a big push.

    Dominic Monaghan will find work. He was one of the bright spots of FlashForward. He won't be a lead, at least not at this time, but he can play the supporting character in a movie. I don't know if he returns to TV after Lost and FF.

    Emilie de Ravin will be like the actor who played her on-screen half brother, Matthew Fox, and get a mix of good roles on the big screen. She was the lead in "Remember Me," played supporting characters in "The Hills Have Eyes" and "Brick." She will probably have a solid, if not remarkable, movie career. She may also return to the small screen, as she also starred in the cult hit "Roswell," so she is not adverse to doing serieses.

    Harold Perrineau will be like O'Quinn and Emerson and be a utility guy in both the big screen and TV. I don't think he will ever be a big star, but after this show and "Oz" he is a go-to guy for drama on TV.

    Malcom David Kelly's career is unknown to me. We shall see how the world views him after we get a good look at his skilll now that he has grown up a bit.

    Ian Somerhalder's is already on the hit show Vampire Diaries. He has become a bonified TV star.

    Maggie Grace will be a Emilie de Ravin, Jr. Get a good mix of supporting and main roles in smaller movies on the big screen (see "Taken" and "The Fog") Don't see her getting any dramatic roles, but she could do well with a comedy under her belt.

    Elizabeth Mitchell's career will depend on the success of V. I think regardless of how well the show does, she will remain a viable actress on the TV level, but if it is a huge hit going forward (unlikely, but possible) she may become a viable movie star, playing tough women. Well, technically, she is already a viable movie star, as she was Mrs. Claus in the Santa Claus movies, but we won't count that (against her)
  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by BlackSun17 View Post
    This is exactly what I thought - I thought the Black Smoke deposited MiB's body there, and expected Jack to be the new smokey.

    Clearly I was wrong, however this plot hole puzzles me.
    The situation in which the MiB turned into Smokey was a little different than Jack's situation:

    The MiB was dead (or at least knocked unconscious) when he went into the Light
    The MiB's intention for the Light, when he was alive, was different than Jack's (One can say living with man, who MiB thought was corrupting, made him corrupted)
    MiB went in while the Light was at full force, Jack had to reset the Light (and perhaps reseting it meant no more Smokey, both in terms of Flocke and in terms of creation)
    Jack, essentially, sacrificed himself.
    Desmond didn't turn into Smokey when he entered the Light, though he is immune to electromagnetic energy.

    We saw many skeletons in the Light room, so I think it is fair to say that going into the Light room alone isn't enough to turn you into Smokey.
  15. Oh, something funny from last night: the local news had their lead story as the finale of Lost. They sent a reporter out to broadcast from a Lost party as they watched the finale. The reporter said he was a few episodes behind so he had to ignore the finale. Then they had him interview someone to get their opinions and he again said he hadn't watched the last few episodes yet.

    How much does that stink? Some people hate going into work because their coworkers might spoil an episode they missed. For this guy, work was forcing him to be spoiled!
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Knowmad View Post
    But as usual, "reality" is a mess even on TV
    That's what I really loved about the show. They never really romanticized anything.

    I keep on coming back to this point, but I love how they even made the "gods" fallible.
  17. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Knowmad View Post
    So you actually believe they survived the initial plane crash in episode one?
    If the show was self-contained to the Island and the Oceanic 6 stuff never happened and if Desmond never time-traveled, I think it would be easier to swallow that what we have seen for 6 seasons was purgatorty itself.

    But they went out of their way to establish the real world exists outside the Island and our character visited it. From when Ben told Jack that the Red Sox won the World Series, to Jack commenting upon a real baseball score in 2007, the show went to great lengths to establish that the Island world is connected to the real world.
  18. A new thing to ponder: Hurley's vision of dead people (at least, off-Island), is that the sideways verse trying to communicate with him?

    I say just cause the vision of Charlie Hurley saw when he got off the Island looked the same as Sideways Charlie. Of course, that is mainly because Dominic Monaghan decided to shave his head before his resurrection scene in S4.
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hestis View Post
    That's actually kind of what I was going for. I thought that Jack would emerge as a white, or "good" version of smokey.
    Though it would be a nice twist, I think the show has been firm in that smoke in any form is bad.

    See: The Others and Rousseau, various fires on the Island, and, of course, Smokey
  20. The only reason why I don't think anyone else turned into a Smoke Monster was a) Desmond is immune to that (cause of Smoke Monsterness: electromagnetism) and b) Jack was pure of soul when he sacrificed himself.
  21. Yeah, the Island is real. Christian said what happened there was real. Hurley and Ben discuss their tenure as Head Honcho and Mr. Smithers there.

    If the Island is Purgatory, how did get to the Island "peacefully?" Penny, The Freighter Folk, Dharma's sub. Also, what did it mean when the O6 left to the "real world," but came back.

    No, the Island was real, but maybe a gateway to the otherside, but in of itself, it was almost like Hawaii!
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Largo View Post
    Still waiting for Doc Jensen's recap, I found the Instant Dharma recap pretty well exemplifies my feelings. It's kinda long.

    http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/05/24/in...de-17-the-end/
    Doc Jensen is up! But it is only 7 pages!

    Of course, that is 7 pages dedicated to Jack's journey only, with more tomorrow
  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by mousedroid View Post
    Also, just out of curiousity - am I the only Lost fan in existence who didn't hate the Paulo and Nikki mini-storyline?
    I liked it, but then again, I always a fan of characters whose backstory brought back Dr. Arzt!
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by mousedroid View Post
    I loved what the "sideways" reality turned out to be, but I have at least one problem with it. If the sideways reality was all about the souls, spirits, etc. of the losties finding each other, what was the deal with sunken island in the first episode of the season? Was that metaphorical - did it represent the fact that they all buried the sins of their pasts? Or did it mean that sometime in the far distant future, after Hugo and Ben's time on the island, it really did sink?
    Fanwanking, the sunken Island was a metaphor in that, if it was still above water, and people were awaken, they might desire to go back to the Island and not let go or move on. The Island needed to be destroyed so these people could realize they needed to live and learn in the "real world" and not potentially run and hide on the Island.
  25. Quote:
    Originally Posted by NiVra View Post
    Hmm, you do realise that this sounds like the "science" equivalent of Jacob's way? With the Pearl being some sort of 'practice' test for how someone would react to being the islands protector.

    Oh, to move further, do you think one could find a direct correlation of the Dharma stations to that of the Other's mystical points of interest? Like the lighthouse, Jacob's statue, the Temple, *under the temple*, the light cave, etc?

    Time to hit the wiki!
    Hmmm, I would be very interested in seeing if there are parallels.

    And, yes, Jacob and Dharma may be faith vs. science. The key to the Island stuff in S6 is the realization that Jacob and MiB really don't know much more than Dharma/Losties/Others. They are humans all the same. The only difference is that Jacob and MiB have access to the Island's powers. But everything they know is a copy of a copy. Which is perfectly epitomized in Jack "ordaining" Hurley. He doesn't even recite Latin. I bet when Hurley ordains the next protector, he might even leave out the part about "Now you are like me."

    It's all ritual with little meaning.