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Quote:The one counter to that is Smokey took on more and more of John Locke's personality the longer he stayed in his form.Originally Posted by Zikar
The other problem is that they both had the same goal, the leave the island. He was also bound by the same rules, like not hurting Jacob.
Not to mention all the other consistent things.
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Quote:The only thing with that is from Jacob's speech to the Losties at the end of "What They Died For," Jacob at least thought that Smokey was actually his brother.Originally Posted by GATE-keeper
I don't think MiB became the Smoke Monster. I think Smokey was somehow locked in the Cave o' Light, and then when Jacob tossed MiB into the Cave, it somehow released Smokey. But we clearly saw MiB's body separately from Smokey (when Jacob placed MiB and his mother in the Adam-and-Eve cave). For whatever reason, when Smokey needed a human form, he chose MiB's - until Jacob died, then Smokey chose to use Locke's form. We also saw Locke's body separately from Smokey's.
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And in the thread, the flame you take is equal to the flame you make.
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Quote:I think it was either Radzinsky's doing or his punishment. Since he was a huge *** and driver for the Swan Station, he would ge the majority of the blame for The Incident. Remember, he was Kelvin's partner in the Hatch. I can see Dharma throwing their arms up and assigning Radzinsky to the Swan permanently.Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
Right, it apparently was a psychological experiment on the Pearl people rather than the Swan people. But I guess my question is... why did Dharma make it so hard for the Swan inhabitants to succeed? Why leave them in isolation for so long?
Since Radzinsky was paranoid that the Hostiles would find out about the Swan (and it is located in Hostile territory), I can see him demanding that the Swan remains somewhat isolated (though Ben and his dad were on their way to restocking the Station when the Purge happened) and keeping it as low-manned as possible, as there were Dharma traitors.
I don't think it was particularly hard to man (as in the 108 minutes aspect, as that was dictated by nature), it is just that apparently it was two-man operation. Which again, would play into Radzinsky's paranoia. -
Posts. Why did it have to be posts?
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Use the edit button, Sleestack, the edit button.
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Quote:The Pearl was the psychological experiment.Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
4. What was the nature of The Pearl? Was it really a psychological experiment on the Swan inhabitants? If pushing the button was as important as it was, why did Dharma screw around with it so much?
Two reasons: one, Sawyer, Jack, Kate and Michael saw the tube where the journals were placed led nowhere, dumping the observations of the Pearlites in the middle of the jungle.
Also, the TV screens viewed stations other than the Swan. The Flame (and Patchy), for example.
I think it was pretty much implied in Desmond's flashbacks pre-"Flashes Before Your Eyes" that he didn't exhibit any special powers pre-Island. Safe to say the explosion did it.Quote:Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
12. Was Desmond born with electromagnetic resistance, or was it a side-effect of his exposure to it after the Swan hatch implosion?
As per the mobisode (webisode) Room 23, The Others were scared of Walt due to his power to attract birds.Quote:Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
14. What was Walt's special gift, why did the Others want him, and why did they give him up so easily? -
Quote:It also had MiB's real name: SamuelOriginally Posted by Zikar
I believe the script or show notes stated that it takes place in 44AD or something, but didn't actually make it into the show.
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Post, Sleestack, Post!
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Quote:They were speaking Latin in the beginning, so it wasn't quite a dead language yet. And I think Mother's wardrobe is toga-esque, though she could be going to a kegger.Originally Posted by Rylas
Quick question: In reviews and talks of "Across the Sea," I notice a lot of people placing the time of the story as roughly 2000 years ago. Where is this info coming from? Because I didn't notice it in the show.
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Quote:My new favorite theory is that he ran into Jack and asked him about pens (see: The Pilot)Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Good point. Could have been a near deather from Desmond as well.
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Quote:I was thinking Locke too, but it would have to be Locke unknowingly doing it and sometime after Oceanic 815 landing, because I can't see Boone meeting Locke any time other than right after that (unless he went to the High School for some reason).Originally Posted by MentalMaden
I would almost think Locke...but it could have been Shannon.
Can't be Shannon, because it was implied in the finale that Boone sent for her, from Australia, only after he was awakened. -
I hope one of the deleted scenes in the S6 DVD is how Boone got awakened. I thought I read that he was supposed to appear in 3 episodes, but he only appeared in 2, so I am wondering if something got cut (and who or what awakened him).
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Quote:I am taking it with a grain of salt, as it comes from an actor who probably doesn't know the full details of the DVDs.Originally Posted by Rylas
That's pretty irksome. I hope Team Darlton (if they made this choice) decide to throw it in with season 6. And if they didn't make this choice, I hope they fight to put it in with season 6. It's a pretty big snub to fans who bought the first 5 seasons already.
Though I am sure it will make its way to the internet at some point.
I have to say, Michael Emerson's and Jorge Garcia's "tiff" at Comic-Con is a whole lot funnier considering where their characters ended up
EDIT: According to DarkUFO, it will be included in the Season 6 DVDs as well. -
The Complete Series on DVD set will include a 12 to 14 minute epilogue regarding Ben and Hurley, says Michael Emerson
Jacob-darnit! I already have Seasons 1-5 on DVD, so I am not going to buy the complete series, though I would really want to see that sequence! -
Quote:Basically, the Island mythology, as used in the actual show, is the worse form of oral history. We know from Jack's dialogue that being granted guardianship of the Island doesn't give you instaknowledge of how things work. Hurley asking for Ben's help confirms this as well. So it seems like most of the things a new guardian learns comes from talking to the old one or discovering it on your own.Originally Posted by Dr_Darkspeed
I agree, I think Jacob may well have been a bad guy all along. In fact... I wonder if the light was actually important to anything off Island at all? Maybe it didn't matter if MiB turned it off (apart from destroying the Island), maybe the Island was just a big version of the hatch, with The Light as The Button.
I don't think Jacob knew much more about the Light than what Mother told him. We saw from Jack that simply entering the Light, as a Guardian, doesn't kill you or turn you, so Jacob could have turned off the Light and maybe killed MiB. But his Mother warned him not to. And I think Mother told Jacob not to let MiB leave as well. Why? Well, maybe because she really loved MiB, and even in death, did not want her favored son to be far away. In Jacob's mind, this mutated to if MiB leaves, he is a threat to all. It is not a stretch to think in the thousands of years the siblings rivaled each other, that Mother's request to have the family remain on the Island colored Jacob's interpretation of both the Island and his Smokey Brother. -
Quote:It would tie-in to what Ricardo said to Jacob when they first met: if Jacob choose to remain alone and not interfere, MiB will always win. Jacob was a Momma's Boy whose Momma didn't really favor him. Yet, her death caused him to kill the only other member of his family. He set himself up for isolation, yet still yearned to be with others (which would be a nice mirror to his brother's tale: MiB was with others, but was really isolating himself).Originally Posted by MentalMaden
More random thoughts:
I contended once they were introduced that the good/evil of Jacob/MiB wasn't as clear cut as it seems. It did, though, turn out that it was pretty much true in the end. But as Ben pointed out to Hurley, Jacobs methods were crap and maybe there is a better way to do things. Does anyone else think that Jacobs way of dealing with the island and his "rules" were a direct reflection of the way he was raised....essentially alone with no knowledge of the outside world or how people interact.
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Quote:I don't think we will ever truly know, unless Team Darlton comes out and says definitively what is and isn't a mystery. I doubt that will happen in the next year, let alone 5 years.Originally Posted by Kitsune9tails
Is there a list somewhere of the island mysteries that were deliberately left as island mysteries (and aren't mistakes/bloopers)? Or is that all still being pieced together?
I do know they said recently the outrigger shootout they had an answer for but couldn't organically put it into an episode. Also, there is a name for the MiB, but they felt he would be a bigger threat/cooler if he never had a name.
Also, they have mentioned they had a 4 year plan for Eko, but since AAA wanted off the show, they had to compress his storyline.
I think a combination of both, actually. In that, they knew the Island was going to have a Light that did weird stuff, etc. but they didn't want to explain how for fear of the explanation as coming off weak. So they never planned a reason for some of the mysteries because they thought their explanation would be dull or weak.Quote:Originally Posted by Dr_Darkspeed
So does that mean they didn't actually have any planned reasons for how things on the island worked? or that they did have them, but the reasons they had were weak? -
Quote:I hope I can find that in .gif formOriginally Posted by Terwilliger
Flying Jack-Punch is the only real choice.
For now, there is this:
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One also has to realize that the show was filmed in the real world. So the answers for the mysteries surrounding Walt and Eko, for example, were hindered by the problems with those actors. Yes, Lost could have just told us directly what the answers were, from the mouth of another character, but look at how people reacted to being told what the Whispers were: they wanted to be shown, not told, or at least have the show more heavily imply than tell us, so the audience can infer. People were complaining all season long that Lost was telling us the answers, not showing them or leaving them for the audience to discover on their own. Which is kinda ironic, in hindsight, because some of the mysteries people are complaining about not being answered, there is enough evidence to infer an answer (things concerning Dharma, for example).
Truly, Lost is a better experience when talked about with other people. That way, everyone can brainstorm and you can find out waht you missed. I think if you don't have that group experience, yes, you are going to have some unanswered questions -
Quote:I love that!Originally Posted by _Echoo_
Alternative ending!
(Apologies if it's been posted already)
I have been thinking of using a screencap from the finale as my avatar, but I think I should wait a few weeks to let everyone see the finale that wants to see it before spoiling it like that (it would either be Jack and Locke about to face off, that final scene with Jack, or Christian opening the Church doors)
On the Season 6 DVD, there is rumored to be up to 20 minutes of footage with the producers that have them explain some of the lingering mysteries. I suspect things like the outrigger battle, Walt, and the MiB's name to be revealed (that has already leaked).Quote:Originally Posted by Night_Hornet
I liked the series and the finale, however I still maintain that the writers/producers just made it up as they went along with no clear idea of how to tie it all up.
For me the finale summed this up, I did enjoy it as it went back to what the show was about - the characters, however the finale brilliantly side-stepped giving most explanations while still being kind of satisfying.
As Jack is told "Everything that happened to you was real", we can presume the island was real and that the 815-ers did not die in the crash. So although we got a reunion at the end, they managed to avoid giving full explanations, which I don't think they actually have.
That being said, I found the finale emotional and the last 5 minutes were beautifully handled.
Also, there is a Lost Encyclopedia coming out in August. While I don't expect any big reveals in that, I think it will allow readers to tie things together better.
Damon Lindelof, co-creator of Lost, is a big Star Wars fan. He has said that he wanted to avoid a "Midichlorian" answer for some of the mysteries, fearing that a weak answer is worse than no answer at all. -
While I do wish we would have gotten more on the Island history, I figure it two ways:
1) The story was really about the Oceanic 815's experience on the Island, and while we did get some forays into the Island's past, it was more or less to show us that everything the Losties experienced has happened before in different permutations. As someone else put it on another site, the Island is a universe and we were only meant to be looking at a galaxy.
2) From a narrative standpoint, I think Jack's quest is supposed to be the audience's quest. In that, in the end, it didn't matter why things happened they way they did, just that the right thing had to happen. Jack really didn't need to know anything past letting Smokey out would be bad (and I think that was Jacob's, the fallible "god," reasoning and it wasn't really going to be Armageddeon) and I think the audience was supposed to feel that way too. If so, it would really color the "They never ask questions" complaint. But this is the ultimate fanwank
As for as the child birthing thing, we know the last child conceived and born on the Island was Ethan Rom. Soon after, the Incident happened, so we can suppose that combining electromagnetic energy with nuclear fallout caused the problem. However, there is the chance that Mother's killing of Jacob and MiB's mother set a course for Mommy issues on the Island. -
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Unfortunately, it appears that the t-shirt was a limited edition, only on sale for one day
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Apparently, this is a print from a T-shirt, which I now desire:
